Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k.
Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art <[email protected]> wrote: > Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 > combined. > > Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all > at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation > > > > At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: >> But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they >> did nothing wrong? >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at >> best, an unfortunate situation >> for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by >> just beating this very expired >> horse. >> >> Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> Kirby McDaniel >> MovieArt Original Film Posters >> P.O. Box 4419 >> Austin TX 78765-4419 >> 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net >> mobile 512 589 5112 >> >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: >> >>> Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. >>> I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material >>> otherwise. >>> I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be >>> impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a >>> sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment >>> within one auction for simplification >>> However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an >>> inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. >>> Ergo, there are no complaints >>> >>> Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: >>> the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never >>> included an inventory >>> Heritage says they did not get them >>> this is a classic case of "she said, he said" and if Geraldine were to sue >>> Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown >>> out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone >>> and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. >>> >>> I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times >>> leads to false claims >>> I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way >>> of knowing for certain one way or the other. >>> >>> however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy & Heritage in some >>> fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments >>> being lost is not "provable", there can be no doubt that if Rudy & Heritage >>> wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more >>> viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> >>> >>> At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: >>>> That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit >>>> and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully >>>> segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have >>>> a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a >>>> small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid >>>> those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as >>>> they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and >>>> have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). >>>> >>>> I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several >>>> others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It >>>> makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee >>>> stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and >>>> fired. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would >>>> actually help? >>>> >>>> I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then >>>> claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly >>>> is going to win that battle. >>>> >>>> Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but >>>> sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to >>>> reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty >>>> worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream >>>> or once opened what is done with it. >>>> >>>> If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your >>>> property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, >>>> trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carlos >>>> Duenas >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I guess it would be sad to agree that "trust no one" is the best rule. I >>>> have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an >>>> inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took >>>> posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very >>>> small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced >>>> one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not >>>> add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds >>>> of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to >>>> send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t >>>> misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of >>>> work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had >>>> sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I >>>> trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would >>>> remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are >>>> missing. >>>> >>>> Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience >>>> that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 >>>> NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY >>>> and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, >>>> a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would >>>> buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to >>>> Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for >>>> their auction. >>>> >>>> I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to >>>> her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. >>>> >>>> Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure >>>> to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter >>>> their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their >>>> reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would >>>> share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>> From: "Walton, Jeffrey" < [email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory >>>> >>>> I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim >>>> foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that >>>> identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an >>>> inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or >>>> Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a >>>> record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then >>>> try to stake a claim with the insurance? >>>> >>>> The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: MoPo List [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of >>>> Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art >>>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory >>>> >>>> Geraldine >>>> reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things >>>> you mention in your emails. >>>> Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage >>>> Rudy Franchi and Heritage? >>>> Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial >>>> contributor to your angst?? >>>> Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I >>>> understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor >>>> and that makes you angry. >>>> But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory >>>> specifically. >>>> 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in >>>> History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover >>>> Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with >>>> additional items up to the 1990s. >>>> I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done >>>> deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, >>>> regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection >>>> to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let >>>> these items leave my possession without an inventory. >>>> For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and >>>> every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have >>>> file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so >>>> that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. >>>> This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of >>>> Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory >>>> in my hands?? >>>> Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? >>>> No Ma'am >>>> I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly >>>> work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been >>>> in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always >>>> completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my >>>> wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get >>>> ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. >>>> Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up >>>> to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to >>>> when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my >>>> interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how >>>> many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were >>>> to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what >>>> portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? >>>> >>>> I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also >>>> felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I >>>> had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not >>>> completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. >>>> So the question becomes, "IF" your claims are true, what responsibility do >>>> you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect >>>> yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think >>>> that you have any responsibility at all? >>>> If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? >>>> Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an >>>> age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your >>>> own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well >>>> probably. >>>> I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given >>>> it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally >>>> somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize >>>> to that person who I thought screwed me. >>>> You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the >>>> fault of Heritage? >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: >>>> Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. >>>> There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie >>>> posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be >>>> non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired >>>> from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from >>>> dad, who passed on. >>>> This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived >>>> information on how to sell their posters.. >>>> As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that >>>> you will encourage them to send their collections "post vite" to Heritage. >>>> You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a >>>> photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to >>>> Heritage. >>>> You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and >>>> their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. >>>> (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken >>>> and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change >>>> entries without leaving a trail.) >>>> You will not tell them that heritage will not return posters they do not >>>> sell. >>>> >>>> You will simply funnel them to Heritage -- for your commission. >>>> For this reason - among others - an esteemed seller on this list posted a >>>> wish that you were dead... >>>> Need I remind you I defended you? This was before I sat down and went >>>> though our Heritage file and discovered what was really going on. This was >>>> before I went online and found that Heritage has been accused by others >>>> for stealing items submitted for consignment. >>>> Last -- if you think you have spent "a huge amount of time" on this issue, >>>> get real. Suggesting we comply with Heritage's offer of selling without >>>> commission fees is certainly not an email that takes a lot of time to >>>> write. After Grey threatened us with legal action, we have spent far more >>>> money on attorney's fees than you have... That's a hard financial cost on >>>> top of the value of posters sent to Heritage. >>>> >>>> While I appreciate your suggestion we go bankrupt "sueing everybody >>>> involved", I will decline your advice. >>>> In the start, I said this list is not just for dealers. My emails are for >>>> the lurking public, now and in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: rudy franchi <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 10:41 AM >>>> Subject: [MOPO] Reply To Geraldine >>>> It seems that I can't post to MOPO without Geraldine popping out like >>>> a cuckoo bird on a spring. This has gone beyond rational discussion. >>>> I've spent a huge amount of time on this problem and Grey has >>>> spent the equivalent of days in hour after hour of trying to reach a >>>> satisfactory conclusion. Perhaps Geraldine should just sue everyone >>>> involved. After she loses, she can appeal it all the way to the >>>> Supreme Court where it will go down in judicial history as "When I've Got A >>>> Hammer vs. Everything's A Nail." Meanwhile, I will continue to >>>> occasionally post here and just put up with the tirades. On some of >>>> the stock market discussion boards I visit, one can put a particularly >>>> annoying person on "ignore" so that their posts won't show up in your >>>> message box. 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