It must be nice to be infallible. Even if it's only in your own mind.
You're so upset about Geraldine's feud with Heritage and Grey, you attack
her about anything she says. Sorry but in this case you're wrong. You have
decided that this must be an exhibitor kit -- without actually seeing
it in the
"flesh" -- and so no one -- even those who were there can convince you
otherwise.
Too bad your mind is such a closed book and influenced -- overwhelmed --
by petty feuds. People on this list seem to respect you. This sort of stance
on your part makes it hard to understand why.
Craig.
At 06:50 AM 6/22/2012, Freeman Fisher wrote:
I tried nicely to explain to you nicely about the impressive bid
brochures I received in the 70's including exactly the ALIEN book
you are selling and also sited other examples including OUTLAND,
EXCALIBUR and others, printed on photographic paper then spiral
bound and sent to others outside the studio in the industry.
I am not going to get in a pissing match with you because you're
tiresome. If you look at my original post I tried to explain
that some were photographic, others offset/printed depending on the
needs. Indeed they are still scarce
but to claim "less than 30 printed" is preposterous. If you knew
how many execs were at Fox (that doesn't even include producers,
licensing etc.) at the time you would know even that amount doesn't
hold water. Also we received these books well before a single
poster was printed or trailer created......literally in some cases a
year in advance as was the case here.
But good look on your endeavors and pricing.
freeman
On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote:
> These are not off-set printed booklets.
>
> These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley
Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki
printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock
paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral
bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien
text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll
see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file
folder label.
>
> It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not.
>
> Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed
the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew
wrap gifts -- the Glory Book.
>
> Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is
a known collectors item and can be found online at other places
than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus
Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop
collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute
search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web.
>
> As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO
dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about
our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not
simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star
Wars history.
>
> You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset
printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to
look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder
label pasted on as an afterthought?
>
> Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to
theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought.
>
> If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have
SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have
intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes...
>
> To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here:
>
> http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001
>
> They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a
ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common.
The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay.
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG
>
> The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a
box and don't open it?
>
> You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars.
>
> Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance
merchandising and licensing, changed the way movies are marketed.
There were a few films released before Star Wars with advance
merchandising and licensing, such as Paramount's "The Great Gatsby"
and 20th Century's "Doctor Doolittle" but for box office results --
but it was Star Wars' Kenner line which changed movie marketing.
>
>
> From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
>
> I have similar ring binder books for Willow and for Chariots of
Fire. I may even have more than one each and I may even have others
>
> it's obvious that some are just photographic prints, while others
look like they were printed editions
>
>
> At 10:59 AM 6/21/2012, Freeman Fisher wrote:
> > Geraldine,
> > Your description of this ALIEN booklet is not accurate. These
booklets were sent out to exhibitor owners and execs. Back in the
1970's there still existed numerous blind bid states. I worked in Texas
> > and it was the most extreme example given the sizes of
Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin and the money
those markets represented
> > Blind bidding was when a theatre chain had to commit to a
film, sometimes a year in advance, with terms outlined (1st two
weeks at 70% 2nd two weeks at 60% etc.) and frequently putting up
at times tens of thousands
> > if not all together 100's of thousands of dollars on the
blockbusters WITHOUT EVER SEEING A SCRAP OF FILM. So these
booklets were sent out prior to bidding and came in all kinds of
formats.....some just a couple of fold out pages to nice booklets
with on set photography. If my memory isn't completely failing, I
recall booklets on STAR WARS, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, APOCALYPSE NOW,
WILLOW, OUTLAND, EXCALIBUR and a few others that
> > were really impressive. Others like ET (at the time called A
BOY'S LIFE) were just gate folded brochures (no picture of ET for
sure that was such a huge secret). Same with RAIDERS OF THE LOST
ARK, CLASH OF THE TITANS, etc. etc.
> > And then some were just a single printed sheet saying who
starred, produced and directed. (Can you imagine buying a car with
a tarp over it and being given just a description and some art,
commit to it, and not expect delivery
> > for 9 to 12 months.......that was blind bidding!)
> >
> > Anyway to say only 30 were made is preposterous. Just in Texas
alone there had to be at least 25 to 35 theatre chains, each film
buyer and marketing guy receiving a copy. In the theatre chain I
worked at, we usually would receive four to five and we were only
in San Antonio. Now multiply those number by triple (or more) to
accommodate the personnel at circuits like Plitt, AMC, General
Cinema, United Artists, Mann, and you can see the numbers required
approach a 1000 in no time. Plus certain critics at the major
National News agencies received copies on occasion.
> >
> > Also a little common sense is in order. Once a brochure is on
the printing press, or photos being printed and spiral bound, do
you honestly think under 30 would be printed? Because once on the
presses it almost as cheap to print several thousand as it is 20.
The $$ are in the set-up.
> >
> >
> > These pieces were not dissimilar to the Studio Release books
from the 1930's that pop up frequently.
> >
> >
> > So while it makes for great Ebay copy to limit their numbers to
generate a false sense of scarcity. This is not the case with
these marketing tools. Whether they have ever been in an auction or
not is irrelevant.
> > While you can ask whatever price you like, ($5000) as a MOPO
buddy I just hate to see someone look so foolish..
> >
> >
> > freeman fisher
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote:
> >
> > > We've decided to put up our own auctions. Will be announcing
posters later, but thought the avid Alien collector might be
interested in this ebay item.
> > >
> > > Based on the successful marketing of Star Wars, Charley
Lippincott was hired by Johnny Friedkin / Fox to market Alien.
> > >
> > > This ebay auction is for a rare photo booklet made for Fox's
studio heads.
> > >
> > > ebay listing 290731119615
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