A slabbed VHS tape. Now that really is funny. Now what would be the ultimate VHS tape? Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?
Kirby > On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith <greysm6...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead. > I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions. > Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of > other hobbies. > I am frankly excited for the future! > If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile. > Indeed it is a wonderful hobby! > G. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim <filmfantast...@msn.com > <mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote: > Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely > certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth. I sold my > Pinocchio one sheet > a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time. Yesterday, it went for > close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was > amazed at > some of the prices Bruce's auction realized......a very good job with a good > variety of material. I had many customers who called me this morning to order > frames for what they had purchased. > > I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors > coming into the hobby every week. A lot of them are young guys who > begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start > collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.....and they have a lot of > disposable income. > > So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong. The example of the > Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that > poster > fluctuates around all the time. Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few > months ago in November for $15,000. I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year. > > So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to > other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby > with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything. > > Sue > Hollywood Poster Frames > From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Michael Danese > <0000013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu > <mailto:0000013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. > > All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago > with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. > All for the best. > The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is > that the number of those folks is shrinking. > Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. > > Thanks, > MIchael Danese > >> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith <greysm6...@gmail.com >> <mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> > >> All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage >> will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house >> out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue >> and cut back the quantity sold. >> Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to >> third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to >> tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with >> what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest >> the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book >> explosion. >> Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it >> was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby. >> I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a >> revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they >> were made to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having >> them and owning them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say, >> buy what you love; then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of >> owning it. >> I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them, especially >> in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork. >> This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles! >> And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe >> one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272 <http://www.ha.com/7272>. >> This weekend, Saturday and Sunday! >> It will blow your mind! >> Grey >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua <sa...@comic-art.com >> <mailto:sa...@comic-art.com>> wrote: >> It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante' >> >> Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest performing >> segment of their categories.... and there is a good reason for it.. >> >> the movie poster hobby.. is broken >> >> let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art. >> This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is >> amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts. >> fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M >> Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M >> the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume sod >> for a whopping $3.36M >> and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for $5.3M >> >> please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll >> wait..... >> >> but there's more. >> >> Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters >> Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters >> Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters >> >> where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas like >> Star Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are factually. art >> prints, not movie posters), poster prices are dead in the water. >> >> In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden Planet one >> sheet I had for $8500. >> Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00 >> 17 years later, and it's only worth the same price? >> >> please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here. >> >> Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz, Gone With >> the Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have they gone? >> Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values? >> >> NO. >> >> Movie posters are being left in the dust. >> >> Why? >> >> In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So every >> Captain America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the current >> appearance of increased values. >> Every Steve Ditko page is marked up >> Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC art >> (neither of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle rockets on >> the Fourth of July >> >> But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell under $20. >> exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment >> expectation people have when they spend money on tangible objects? >> >> In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together for 10 >> years, you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if you collected >> movie posters (in the general area up to certain values 5-10k), you will be >> lucky to get 30-50% of your costs when you sell your collection. >> >> Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least $20,000 >> today, and if it isn't, that is a real loss of dollars and of your future. >> >> Back to Heritage, another fact is that if Jim Halperin didn't like movie >> posters, they wouldn't be a separate part of their line-up anymore. They >> would be gone with the wind as a failed experiment. Grey Smith was brought >> in by Jim to create this segment and it is, sadly, the lowest performing >> area for them. Before anyone says I'm blaming Grey, no I definitely am not. >> The hobby is hamstrung by the lack of a price guide, by the lack of a >> grading system accepted and followed by all dealers and to be honest, the >> constant attacks on auction houses & dealers from some quarters is a major >> turn-off to many players. >> >> Magic the gathering has an annual convention here in Vegas. I've been there. >> It's got free admission. It takes up about 120,000 sq feet at the Sands >> Convention Center. They get more than 40,000 people. >> We have Cinevent (now the Columbus Movie Picture Show) and are lucky to get >> 300. >> >> These comparisons are harsh and are a direct reflection of where the poster >> world stands. Heritage is trying to change that to some degree on the poster >> auctions. They feel the need for this division to increase annual revenues, >> in order to justify it's value to the corporate heads. As a businessman, I >> totally understand their perspective. >> >> I'm not sure I have any answers on how to change the direction of this hobby >> and to be honest, the new tube surcharges levied by the USPS, UPS and Fedex >> have smacked down the value of modern rolled posters (in addition to >> fighting the "we sell 90% of our auctions under $20.. See how great we >> are"). Shipping & materials costs are brutal now. I can ship 10lbs of >> posters to L.A. via UPS for $14 (as long as it is packed in a triangular or >> square box) but a 2lb to NYC is $25-35 depending on which of the 3 shippers >> you use. Selling $100 posters you can offset this shipping cost (of course, >> it winds up in raised prices, if possible), but $20 are now worth $5, and no >> one makes a living selling $5 posters, not even Missouri. My tubes cost me >> $4.64 delivered. Try to add that cost into shipping & you get tagged with >> complaints of gouging. (shipping & supplies costs are never fully recouped >> by dealers) >> >> The hobby is broken.. I hope Heritage can help fix it. >> >> Rich >> >> On 4/18/2022 10:22 AM, Tommy Barr wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was just communicating with HA regarding the criteria for inclusion of >>> movie posters in their Signature Auctions. I'm told that they are looking >>> for pieces which should realistically fetch a minimum of $1000, but 'that >>> value threshold may be raised in the future as we explore other auction >>> formats.' 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