[Dan] A glass of water is not a substance. Good. Now we're getting somewhere. A glass of water that gives the illusion of substance.
[Krimel] You either misunderstand or continue to foster misunderstanding about "illusion." An illusion is not phantasm nor is it without "substance." Illusion is the result of perception. Perception is the mental processing, organization and classification of sensation. Sensation is merely the activation of the nervous system, which is the only way that I can make sense of a term like "pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality." Sensation is the activation of the nervous system by physical stimulation, light, motion, pressure, molecules in the air... Perception is the organization of sensation into meaning, concepts, memory, etc. To say that the world is "illusion" does not mean that reality is without substance it only mean that there are a number of different ways that one could organize sensory data. Here is an excellent website that illustrates this with about 75 different forms and varieties of illusion. http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ A more grounded view of the nature of illusion and perception moves the MoQ away from the Hindus and Buddhists and toward Lao Tsu and Kant. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
