[Ron]
>  This is an honest inquiry; 
> I see no reason why this should piss you off, 

     What word made you think I was "piss(ed) off"?  I
never said I was, and... I'm not, so, your projecting
your feelings onto a computer screen.


     [Ron]
> if you don't dig
> What's being said then stop reading the thread.
> It's certainly no justification for an attack.

     Why do you think it is an attack?  Ham obviously
admitted that he was bringing up stuff for
controversies sake.  I said I'm starting to wonder if
Ron is, too.  Key word:  wonder.  That's far from an
attack don't you think?  I also did say you might be
having an "honest inquiry".  Do you fly off the handle
or what?


     [Ron]
> The classic /romantic split reference was in regard
> To how Pirsig and Ham approach relatively the same
> concept
> Ham is more on the romantic side whereas Pirsig
> tends on the classic
> side of the subject, now how you get I'm purposely
> undermining you is
> beyond me.

      WWWWOOOOWWWW!  I said your undermining me? 
You've got to be kidding!!!!!!  You said you were
trying out this new philosophy and I said go for it.
     Now, if you want to discuss, I did ask you where
does Pirsig imply a classic leaning?  I do know Pirsig
dropped this classic/romantic split a long, long time
ago.  He went through the bull horns.  You see, I take
the approach to ZMM that states ZMM was a journey
where we can follow Pirsig's thought process on his
way to coming up with a more and more accurate way of
stating what he thought was the moq.  ZMM discusses
some stuff and then Pirsig drops it, and moves on to
what he finds to be a more accurate picture of what's
happening.  This classic/romantic split was a long
time ago thought process of Pirsig's, but one he got
rid of.


     [Ron]
> As for Propping up SOM it stands for itself, if you
> want to believe you can
> Drop SOM and replace it with MOQ then be my guest, I
> just disagree.

     Soooooooo, you do prop up SOM?  If you do, then
so be it.  I'm just asking an question so we can see
be intellectually honest, that's all.  Are these tough
questions or something?


     [Ron]
> Who needs Platt when we have a Pissy SA?

     Well, I never got demeaning with you did I?  I
ask a few questions and some you even admit being
true, and somehow your calling me names now. 
Really... what did I say that made you so call me
"Pissy".


     [Ron]
> Goddamn, try to get people together and you piss
> everyone off.
> Forget it, laugh away you elitist jerk.


     What's wrong with laughing?  Are you ok?  I asked
you serious questions about your endeavor.  How was my
asking you questions making you think I was "piss(ed)"
off?  Do you fly off the handle like this often? 
Nevermind... maybe you shouldn't even think of what
lies underneath that question it might be ugly.

sorry,
SA


       
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