Great post, definitely one to star, thanks.

-Peter

On 14/01/2008, Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [Margaret]
> So I'm curious...what is meant by feminine energy/male energy?
>
> [Arlo]
> As far as I understand it, the terminology "masculine" and "feminine"
> as applied to "spirit" or "energy" is derivative of the Euro-pagan
> traditions which framed specific emotive-behavioral norms towards
> each gender, and then professed that for humanity to evolve, these
> forces had to be kept in balance. This has since been overlayed upon
> the Yin-Yang of the Orient, but as far as I am aware, true Yin-Yang
> philosophy lacks specific gender marks.
>
> The popularity of this "balance" has been brought against a perceived
> (and perhaps rightly so) "imbalance" created and sustained within the
> Occidental traditions (or at least, the popular, exoteric varieties
> of Occidental thought) that places the "traditional" role of the male
> as dominant, better and in fact "closer to God" than the subservient,
> weaker, less important female gender.
>
> Recently, the language has been adopted to counter feminism, which
> according to some, has committed the same devaluation of traditional
> female roles as the patriarchy it sought to challenge. In this, the
> counter to male-dominant culture is to divorce "gender" and "role"
> and promote the adoption of traditional male roles by female gender.
> Both male patriarchy and this accused feminism devalue and dismiss
> the traditional role of the female (in European derived cultural
> histories).
>
> A new brand of feminism united "role" and "gender" once again, but
> this time sought to tip the scales from a patriarchal- to a
> matriarchal- based appraisal of worth. The traditional role of the
> female was again tied to gender, however the new understanding
> elevated the female role above the male role. Men became merely
> aggressive sperm donors to the female's nurturing and life-sustaining
> energies.
>
> The rekindling of European pagan thought has brought voices from both
> sides to seek understanding and accept the positives and negatives
> that occur when either of the gender roles becomes elevated above the
> other. Books such as "Iron John" sought to re-establish the
> traditional male "energy" with a nobility and heroism that feminism
> had torn away, while modern feminists continue to strive to keep
> nurturing and caregiving as values as important as those of the males.
>
> Popular culture has parodied much of this dialogue, from the Brady
> Bunch episode where Mike and Carol exchange roles and then fail
> horribly, evidencing the notion that traditional gender roles are
> innately tied to gender. Other films like Mr. Mom tried to show that
> while it would be clumsy for a male to appropriate the traditional
> female role, it was possible, making it a socially-constructed role
> not a gender-based one.
>
> Largely I think many who use these terms see the "traditional" roles
> as one historically assigned to gender, but not gender-innate. And
> for a matter of convenience they talk about "gender roles" only
> because of their long history of being gender-distinct. But many
> continue to relate the specific gender roles to specific biology.
> "Women are nurturing by nature," they might say, "and have only been
> distracted by a society that forces them to adopt male habits". Men,
> on the other hand, some say, "are aggressive and warrior-like by
> nature and have been distracted by an emasculating dialogue that
> refuses to accept any value in these roles".
>
> Where this division does parallel the Yin-Yang, I think, is that a
> deeper (esoteric) reading of the pagan myths places both forms on
> these energies in each person. That is, no one person is strictly
> male or strictly female in energy. And balance is not something we
> seek in the larger cultural aggregate, but inside us as we balance
> the hunter-nurturer roles within ourselves. At its core, however, it
> should never be forgotten that this is simply, as Pirsig would say,
> "just an analogy".
>
> That's my take on it, anyways.
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