Hi Ron, I'm glad you liked the article. I thought it very wise.
I was getting some bad reactions to situations and had to go deep to meet some pretty distorted little internal trolls. Parts of myself that were buried in childhood. Nothing horrendous, but parts that became buried and restricted for fear of being rejected and unlovable, and as the years passed they just became uglier and demanded more attention. Very subversive are these little demons and their feelings. Having befriended them, they've brought gifts. It's was very Jungian. I enjoy yoga, and working with the chakras was/is very helpful. Marsha At 09:45 AM 1/15/2008, you wrote: >Marsha, >Excellent post, drives at the heart of my desire. I endeavor to change >Myself. The change is deep rooted in my psyche, I've embraced it >And by embracing it I wish to transform it. I wish to associate >My triggers with more neutral emotions or at least less intense ones. > >Certain things trigger debilitating physical responses in me, rationally >I am aware that these are merely psychosomatic responses but I feel >Them just the same. The effort is to reprogram myself. I'd like to stop >The nightmares, my wife worries that I'll hurt her in my sleep, I wake >Screaming filled with blind irrational fear. > >I have traveled the path of the dead man and those words are very wise >I traveled it for 7 yrs, meditation Qi development helped tremendously. >I surrendered, spending time as a pugilist embracing all pain. >I am exploring the intellects ability to promote change with you >And the rest of the contributors here and that also has been very >prosperous. >Now I wish to explore the chakras for obviously a few are blocked. >As long as change is possible I will endeavor to guide it. > >Your post defined what it is I'm doing most eloquently and the >possibilities >I face to be at peace, total acceptance is a rational function but the >hard >Wired responses to stimuli seem to be another matter. This is why >I focus on states of awareness conscious and subconscious of all variety >And what brings us to them. >Thanks Marsha >Nail on the head. > > > > > > >--- What is meant by Spirituality and being Spiritual --- > >What is meant by spirituality runs like a common >thread through all cultures and religious >traditions. It is expressed in the Christian >tradition by the words: "He that loseth his soul shall find it." > >A Buddhist poem expresses this intuition about spirituality in this way: > >"While living, be a dead man, thoroughly dead. > >Then whatever you do, just as you will, will be right." > >But how are we to lose ourselves. How is it >possible for the ego to do away with itself? > >Any action that we take out of calculation, out >of self-interest will strengthen the ego. All >attempts made by the ego to do away with itself >are fruitless and even counterproductive. > >However this does not stop us from trying. All of >us are subject to the slings and arrows of >outrageous fortune. It is when disaster strikes >that we take to religion and philosophy and >meditation. And at these times we are hurting so >badly that we are unable to think clearly. We >think that spirituality or becoming spiritual will help. > >And so we start our very complex efforts to lose >ourselves. There are any number of methods. There >is philosophy - both eastern and western. There >is the venerable tradition of meditation >exercises of Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen and the >like. There are sects and cults of various sorts. > >Some enlightened masters do not think that >meditation serves any purpose. J. Krishnamurti >was an enlightened master who prescribed no >meditation exercises whatsoever. Also we have the >Taoist sages of antiquity - Lao Tzu and Chuang >Tzu - who do not stress on meditation at all. > >The ancient Chinese have expressed this dilemma >very eloquently. They have described these >efforts to lose oneself and grow spiritually as >similar to trying to fix legs on to a snake. They >have compared these attempts to those of a naked >man trying to lose his shirt. In the Zen Buddhist >tradition all these attempts are compared to a >mosquito trying to pierce the hide of an iron >bull. It is considered to be a task that is >impossible of accomplishment through conscious systematic efforts. > >And yet we are hurting. We are facing life and >its challenges are totally beyond our capacity to >cope or deal with. Take for example the sudden >death of a young child through accident or murder >or the like. The parents of the child will be >hurting and will turn to religion and >spirituality to deal with the pain. What are they to do with themselves? > >Alan Watts, in one of his books - Become What you >Are - says that we humans are fragile and >sensitive beings and we do not like to feel pain. >In this we are similar to all other organisms. We >just do not like to hurt - whether it is anger, >fear, greed, jealousy, physical pain or any other >negative feeling. So we resist these feelings. We >try to block these feelings out and avoid them. >We construct fine intellectual explanations of >our situation that are designed to make us feel better about ourselves. > >Much of what is called philosophy is - according >to Alan Watts - an attempt to talk ourselves out >of ultimate feelings. For example - a person >facing a life threatening illness. He would be in >a state of absolute turmoil. He would be facing >rage, terror, shock and the like and he would >want explanations as to why this is happening to >him. And so he will turn to philosophy or spirituality for consolation. > >Yet if this person were to just stop resisting, >stop trying to find explanations and trying to >make himself feel better and simply accept that >these feelings are irresistible and cannot be >avoided and just feel these emotions then he >would be finding his way out of his crisis >situation. He would be able to lose himself, >which is the main task of growing spiritually. > >This happens when we give up resisting our >feelings through the realization that there is no >way to resist them or to avoid them. This is when >life compels us at last to give in, to surrender >to the terror of the unknown and then the >suppressed feeling shoots out. It is at last >given room to play itself out and the horror of >our inevitable mortality is transformed to an >almost ecstatic sense of freedom from the bonds >of individuality. This is the goal of all spiritual efforts and >spirituality. > >A somewhat similar experience is described by the >Tibetan sage Milrepa in the following words: > >"In horror of death I took to the mountains - > >Again and again I meditated on the uncertainty of the hour of death, > >Capturing the fortress of the deathless unending nature of mind, > >Now all fear of death is over and done." > >So this is one way to lose ourselves - surrender >to our feelings, especially in crisis situations. >This means that we do not block them or avoid >them, or take action of any sort when we feel >bad, or try to find intellectual theories to make >us feel better. You are feeling wretched - so >simply feel wretched. Do not resist. > >Now a few words about meditation. I had mentioned >earlier that all attempts to change ourselves - >through meditation or otherwise - are doomed to >failure because the ego cannot do away with >itself by taking action. It is like fighting >darkness with darkness or a needle trying to prick itself. > >But I have been meditating regularly these past >few months - Vipassana Meditation as taught by >S.N Goenka - and I have clearly benefited and >grown and matured through these efforts. It may >not take me all the way but through my meditation >practice I have started the spiritual journey. >There is clearly more than one way to skin a cat. > >There other point I wish to make is that all of >what I said is no reason at all to deny our >interest in philosophy and meditation or >spirituality, or try to repress our desire to >grow or change. It would be best of course is we >could just accept ourselves and not feel the need >to change anything about ourselves. But if you >cannot do this, if you feel the need to meditate, >or if you cannot accept any aspect of yourself >and want to take steps to change it then please >give this need or wish room to play itself out. >Denying or repressing our desire to change >ourselves is clearly not the way out. > >http://www.eastern-philosophy-and-meditation.com/spirituality.html > > > > >************* >DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, & >etc.: Ever-changing collection of overlapping, >interrelated, inorganic, biological, social and >intellectual, static patterns of value. > > ************* DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, & etc.: Ever-changing collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, static patterns of value. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
