Re: MOQ levels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I think the talk of "levels" is very good, and Pirsig deserves respect for being a pioneer in this domain. But I want a kind of cybernetic sophistication, when we try to actually grapple with these levels. Pirsig makes the diagnosis of all kinds of war, one level against another and so forth. I don't deny the existence of such wars, but I think that most of them are caused by people not listening to each other.
The cybernetic solution to a conflict is to find ways of walking around it - very rarely to join in the fight. Speaking purely for myself: "intellect" is not at war with other levels of quality which I seek to embody in my life. It is a servant (or better yet, "i" am a servant, when I embody intellectual quality in real time), "it" and "i" are attempting to mediate between other contending factions. One of the crucial tools in this mediation, is listening to all the points of view. I don't believe "intellect" is an autonomous domain at work independently of the actual commitments each of us makes in our real communication. It is us, when we are thinking. Isn't it? Mike Roth Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
