Hi Arlo OK, I can see your issues with this. Problem I have is that despite the rhetoric we live in conformist and authoritarian societies. We do not organise education & work on the basis of the needs and wants of individuals, but rather based on command structures and authoritarian dispensing of 'knowledge'. How do we create a society that is more free and more based on personal development and co-operation rather than command, money-bribery, and top down setting of ends? Are we not failing to empower individuals to have equal and co-operative forms of life? Individuals are weak in our current societies not free. How can we address this without discussing the value of individuals (as the product of certain forms of society)? I still find it hard to see how you can do without such language. Your thoughts?
David M > What I am frustrated with is the "if you don't glorify one, you must be > glorifying the other" type rhetoric. If you don't stand up and wag your > dick > about "the individual" it MUST mean that you see no value in people and > want > society to kill or enslave people for a greater good. I am saying that > conversation has no value. And saying, "well, this is how people think so > we > have to frame our words for them" is trying to force a better worldview > into a > lesser one. And I won't do it. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
