Hi DMB Interestingly along these lines Heidegger talks about this he calls it the Ek-statik or ecstatic!
http://books.google.com/books?id=kd9txXmuMXkC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=ekstatik%2Bheidegger&source=web&ots=dKE7MBOxP7&sig=IP1a56pHmzC7lzpCdFRN2f5oWKI David M > > dmb says: > It might help to look at the difference between Ham's unchanging > foundation and Steve's unfiltered experience. I think Ham's confusion is a > consequence of trying to understand Dynamic Quality as some kind of > foundational reality, as something that exists on its own apart from > experience, as if DQ were a simple substitute for SOM's objective reality > or Kant's things-in-themselves. But in the MOQ, experience IS reality and > the terms "static" and "dynamic" both characterize experience. William > James also used these terms to characterize experience. As he put it, > experience is like the movements of a bird, full of flights and perchings. > Dewey's work in art and aesthetics gets at this idea pretty well too. All > three of these guys (Pirsig, James and Dewey) are radical empiricists and > they're all looking closely and critically at SOM. It's no good trying to > understand static and dynamic without first understanding that. > > Dewey's distinction between recognition and perception might be helpful > here. For Dewey, "recognition" is something like static quality and > "perception" is dynamic. "The difference between the two is immense", he > says in his ART AS EXPERIENCE. "Recognition is perception arrested before > it has a chance to develop freely." "In recognition we fall back as upon a > stereotype, upon some previously formed scheme. Some detail or arrangement > of details serves as cue for bare identification. It suffices in > recognition to apply this bare outline as a stencil to the present > object". "Bare recognition is satisfied when a proper tag or label is > attached, 'proper' signifying one that serves a purpose outside the act of > recognition - as a salesman identifies wares by a sample." Sadly, says > Dewey, these "non-esthetic" kinds of experience are so common and > pervasive "that unconsciously they come to be taken as norms of all > experience. Then, when the esthetic appears, it so sharply contrasts wi > th the picture that has been formed of experience, that it is impossible > to combine its special qualities with the features of the picture and the > esthetic is given an outside place and status." > > Its worth pointing out that for Dewey the aesthetic experience is not > confined to the fine arts. He talks about the aesthetic experience of a > thinker and a moral actor, for example. Just as in the MOQ, any kind of > experience could count as dynamic - hearing a new song, formulating a > hypothesis, fixing a bike or getting your life turned upside down by a > storm. In this case it refers to a high degree of engagement, a heightened > sensitivity to whatever is being experienced. When "perception replaces > bare recognition ...consciousness becomes fresh and alive". Dewey even > uses words like "care" and "love" to characterize the flavor and intensity > of involvement that this entails. And interestingly, he says that the > artist is guided by unifying "quality" that is neither capricious nor > routine. The artist or thinker selects and shapes her material through the > entire process on the basis this quality, by "whatever carries the idea > forward". In fact, he says, this level of engagement is > always felt as "emotional and guided by purpose". This feeling is so > inherent and integral to the aesthetic experience, says Dewey, that "there > is, therefore, no such thing in perception as seeing or hearing PLUS > emotion". He's careful to spell out that this is not "emotion" in the > conventional sense. I think he's talking about what Pirsig would call > "quality" or "value". As Dewey points out, the dynamic has given it "an > outside place and status". So we hardly know what to call it or how to > talk about it. But these guys put it at the center of things, despite our > culture's blind spot to it. > > Thanks, > dmb > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
