Hi all

After reading, and being engaged in, a couple of head-on discussions here, I'm 
beginning to wonder if we have any common ground to stand on. One such common 
ground should be (IMO) the notion of what a metaphysics is. If we don't share 
that, we will end up like the people with no sense of direction running 100 
yards on Monty Python's silly Olympics. Everyone will end up at their own 100 
yard line and yell "I won!".

I have a certain feeling we will get at least 2 different goals to aim for. 
We've had discussions about this before but I can't find them right now.

I can start:

To me, metaphysics has the same relationship to physics as metadata has to data 
in a database. For example, if you have an address book, the metadata is name, 
address, phone and email. Using that metadata, you can describe all your 
friends.

A metaphysics should do the same with the reality/physics we want to describe 
with it. Your metadata describes your friends, and your metaphysics describes 
the reality.

However, IMO there's one crucial difference between the two:
If one of your friends gets one of those nifty things called mobile phone, your 
metadata is insufficient to describe this friend. You have to add a "Mobile 
phone" to your metadata. This is ok for metadata.

But, IMO, it's *not* ok to do that for a metaphysics. Of course we can do that 
with our understanding/model of the metaphysics, but not to the metaphysics 
itself. The metaphysics has been working for ~15 billion years according to 
current research, and since time is a physical concept, the metaphysics has 
been 
ruling time as well, perhaps even initiating it from a timeless soup some 
"time" 
before the big bang.

So, to me, a metaphysics is really outside our reality. We can't see it, we 
can't change it, we can only see it working in our reality. The only thing we 
can do is to describe it as good as we can and in doing so, understand the 
reality better.

Anyone else?

P.S. Let's try to keep this as civil as possible, please. The "This Event" 
thread starring SA and Ron is a great example. It would, for example, be 
prudent 
to lay out your own view of what a metaphysics is before criticizing anyone 
else's.

        Magnus










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