On Sunday 1 March 2008 3:12 PM David M writes to Joe: Hi Joe I'd suggest that science is the study of order, it needs to be seen in the context of a world that is also contingent and historical and has biological and human agency in it as part of that order. But to study and describe order science needs assumptions and concepts and language to do this empirical work, that's what we usually mean by metaphysics. That reality always exceeds science is simply reality, you seem to be calling it a metaphysical reality, I don't see the need. Why not call it reality, which is the idea of that which transcends our human-experience-reality, and is a totality we cannot experience as finite beings it seems. David M Hi David M and all, For precision Science uses the logic of mathematics which produces an error message when trying to divide by 0. There may be metaphysical assumptions made by science which propose order, but they will not have the certainty that science usually exudes. To say that the inner man only deals with assumptions, concepts, language IMO denies the reality of the value in existence which to me is order, like evolution. I prefer to keep science as the study of the manifest. E.G. the periodic table does not place water as a pure element but a compound. It seems the emphasis that science places on individuality twists the meaning of the importance of water in an order of reality. Perhaps, this is only a whim on my part. Joe
On 3/1/08 3:12 PM, "David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Magnus and all, >> >> Physics is a study of the manifest in our reality interpreted through >> disciplines like mathematics, politics, economics, psychology, etc.. IMO >> metaphysics is the study of the order in our reality which underlies the >> manifest like evolution, existence, causes etc.. >> >> Joe > > > Hi Joe > > I'd suggest that science is the study of order, it needs to be seen > in the context of a world that is also contingent and historical and > has biological and human agency in it as part of that order. > > But to study and describe order science needs assumptions and > concepts and language to do this empirical work, that's what we > usually mean by metaphysics. That reality always exceeds science is > simply reality, you seem to be calling it a metaphysical reality, I don't > see the need. Why not call it reality, which is the idea of that which > transcends our human-experience-reality, and is a totality we cannot > experience as finite beings it seems. > > David M > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
