Hi Platt/Arlo
I'd suggest birds in the UK learning to drink out
of milk bottles left on doorsteps is pretty dynamic?
DM
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From: "Platt Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Chance
[Platt]
Thus, atoms once were able to respond to DQ but no longer can. Similarly,
animals could once but no longer can.
[Arlo]
Did these animals have "free will"? Give me an example from any
understanding
of animal science as to a behavior or ability animals had when the could
respond to DQ that they can no longer do. Were all animals able to
respond to
DQ at some point? Or just a select few? Take "cats", go as far back into
paleohistory as you need, was there ever a "cat" that could respond to
DQ? If
so, what was it able to do? Give me some evidence (or just speculate)
about
something that DQ-cats "did" that they can no longer "do".
If I could do that I would be some kind of hero to the evolutionists.
About
all
anyone can say is what Pirsig said: "What distinguishes all the species of
plants
and animals is, in the final analysis, differences in the way carbon atoms
(proteins and DNA) choose to bond." (Lila, 11) Precisely when this took
place in
the case of cats or any other life form, including the first one, is
anybody's guess.
Also, speculate, when did animals "lose" the ability to respond to DQ?
Did they
suddenly lose this ability when "man" appeared? Did DQ-animals in North
America
lose this ability when DQ-man appears for the first time in Africa? Or
was
there an overlap, a time when on this planet there were DQ-animals and
man
coexisting?
Again, I can't give you a specific time when lower life forms lost the
ability to respond to DQ. Nor can anyone else I would venture to say.
When
did the semipermeable cell form? When did the shift occur from mitosis to
meiosis to permit sexual choice? When did cells organize into metazoan
societies called petunias and cats? When did animals acquire bones,
shells,
hides, fur, burrows, etc. Your guess is as good as mine.
For me, cats were always "cats". They did not have some DQ-ability and
then
lose it. They could always, as they do today, respond to DQ from within
the
constraints and affordances of their biological boundedness (and given
their
complexity within that level, for example, a "cat" has a greater
repertoire of
responses to DQ than an amoeba, but both are limited by not having social
or
intellectual existences).
With the advent of human society and intellect, our ability to respond to
DQ as individual, bounded life forms "emerged," leaving behind at the
physical and biological levels overwhelming static patterns that have
effectively stopped forces and forms at those levels from answering the
call of DQ. Or, even if they can, being unable to do anything about it.
(That's where the limits imposed by the levels come in.)
Or so I believe based on my interpretation of the MOQ..
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