[Krimel] The question revolves around the idea that with Lila Pirsig replaces the Quality of ZMM with DQ and thus DQ is characterized as having all or most of the qualities of Quality.
Ron; This is what I meant by the abstract/concrete distinction of terms, nouns to be specific. when Pirsig equates Quality as dynamic he is referring to Quality in the abstract. what we can say about Quality can be broken into concrete terms of dynamic and static referents. Quality is a noun that has both concrete and abstract meaning. it is important to realize which distinction is being made with the term. [dmb] I think I understand the second question, even if I don't understand how the door was opened to it. If we can rightly characterize DQ "in terms of change and rates of change", then it IS definable. Okay, granted. But I don't think we can rightly equate DQ with change. While words like "novelty" and "change" can be used it is also true that some "change" is almost entirely static. Take radioactive decay or the face of a properly functioning clock, for example. In that case, the "rate of change" is calculable, predictable and steady. [ [dmb] And there is also the epistemological claim about DQ being pre-intellectual and therefore prior to definitions, but that's almost another topic. [Krimel] I think the whole pre-intellectual line of thinking is very productive if somewhat more pedestrian than one might think. We have what I like to think of as the sense of senses. It allows us to integrate and make sense of the multiple modes of sensation that we have coming in all of the time. The main function of this is to say whether something is good or bad or somewhere in between. We use it to find patterns and to react to events in the world. The nature and workings of this pre-intellectual process of sensing and processing events in the world are critical to who we are and what we do. I think the philosophical focus on the meanings of words takes us far away from this most fundamental aspect of perception and the creation of meaning. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
