DMB said to Mati (Chris, note) "But if we equate intellect with SOM, then we have locked out any other [intellectual] possibility."
That is a simple statement of my point. I agree. Always been my main (only ?) objection to Bo's SOL. Atrophied in history. I've described my alternatives elsewhere ... Ian On 7/17/08, david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mati said to Ron: > As I noted in my post to Ian, if you observe modern day research methologies > in the eastern cultures they likely teather themselves to the S/O split (SOM) > because, I believe, it was the most effective means to define reality in a > research environment. If the Eastern philosophical tradition was able to > define reality in a more effective means I would suggest that would be a) > incorporated already or b) displaced SOM or c) we would be studying them in > the western world. ...as illustrated in both ZAMM and LILA, culture has been > so entrenched in the SOM it is difficult to see it in any other way. However > I will eat my cake and have it too, by saying that is SOM is so entrench in > our culture that might suggest this might support defining Intellect as SOM. > > dmb says: > As the research methods and standard scientific practices show, SOM still > dominates. I'm sure you're quite right about that, Mati. But if we equate > intellect with SOM, then we have locked out any other possibility. If we > define the intellect as SOM exclusively, rather than just predominantly, then > we'd never be able to conceive any other options. If SOM and intellect were > exactly the same thing then there is no chance of coming up with a counter > example, a case where there is intellect without SOM. And that's exactly why > I can't buy the idea. I've seen too many philosophical criticisms of SOM to > believe that we're hopelessly stuck with it. James, Dewey, Rorty and Pirsig > would be my favorite examples because they are so widely known and they're > often discussed here. There are others in the East and in the postmodern > West, but alternatives can be found right here at home too. And to some > extent - although I still have a lot to learn - there is some room for > alternative method ol > ogies. I'm beginning to realize that the program I'm in now actually makes > room to develop such a thing. > > Anyway, I think the question boils down to something pretty simple. If we > have an example where SOM and intellect are NOT the same thing, then > intellect is dominated by SOM but not equal to it. The ability to conceive > alternatives is one thing and getting the academic culture to accept these > alternatives are two different things. The latter is a function of time and > history while the former is something I've already seen lots of times, not > least of all in Pirsig's MOQ. > > To boil it down even further, Bo says there can be no such thing and I say > there are many examples of just such a thing. > > Thanks. > > P.S. I'm not ripe yet but you can expect another flood of questions about > methodologies in about a year. > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
