"Superoirity and excellence! Come On? Joe
On 8/4/08 1:14 PM, "Ron Kulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> [Ron] >>> VIRTUE >>> >>> or SOM Good. >>> >>> or superiority. >>> >>> The four cardinal (hinge) virtues are Justice, Courage, Wisdom, and >>> Moderation. > > > [Ron] >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=virtue >> >> search the terms as they refer to Greek thought >> if it is not enough. But I think you will find similar >> definitions. > > In view of the references you cite, how do you interpret this quote? > > "To answer him you have to go all the way back to fundamental meanings of > what is meant by morality and in this culture there aren't any fundamental > meanings of morality. There are only old traditional social and religious > meanings and these don't have any real intellectual base. They're just > traditions." (Lila, 7) > > To me it appears Pirsig dismisses what the Greeks had to say about > morality. Either that or in his opinion 1) "this culture" ignores what the > Greeks said, or 2) what the Greeks said wasn't intellectual. > > What do you think he means? > > Ron: > Good question, by way of support from his conclusion that arête is Quality, > I would say that 1) "this culture" ignores what the Greeks said. > > "this culture" values objectivity (what Bo calls intellect) more than > "excellence". In fact it mistakes objectivity with excellence. You had > your finger on it Platt, This is where Academia splits with wisdom. > This when intellectualism functions without social excellence. > If the intellectual level emerges from the social then it seems > reasonable that the highest social patterns would be the basis > for a Quality intellectual pattern, ie excellence per the Greek > definition. Which is what Pirsig proposes with Quality. > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
