Hi SA, I want to play around with the words ³Culture hands us a set of glasses..² Can a ³set of glasses² help me see anything undefined? Nope! They can help me learn some new words? *,_,#,@,. Why is my eyesight so poor I need glasses? At first I don¹t have a thing to say about my glasses, but I can exercise my eyes and maybe have good enough vision. Now that I am old exercise is not a consideration. I might forget to put my glasses on and not see as well, but how beautiful everything is. Mechanical/Conscious.
Joe On 8/20/08 10:53 AM, "Heather Perella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps your correct on this Ron. I've heard much suffering leads to > enlightenment, that feeling on the hot stove of wanting to live something > better. When I was around 15 I contemplated suicide, once when I was as young > as 12 or so. I was so sad and thought the world would be better without me > screwing things up when I was around 11 or 12, I had the knife in my hand and > was softly rubbing it up and down on my arm, contemplating. My mother walked > and asked what I was doing and took the knife and left. I was so young I'm > surprised I could even think like that. When I was 15 I would get so > depressed. I was an outcast I always felt. I moved around 6 times and went > to 9 different schools by 12th grade. Got to the point that I didn't know how > to be friends with people too long. I had some very good friends along the > way, but by high school only a couple and never saw them very much. Not until > college did I find a social life that even lead to not > just hanging out and doing all kinds of fun stuff, but even talking > philosophically with many people on a deeper level. When I was 15, it was > writing that saved me. I wrote a lot about sadness, and then while I reading > over some of my old writings in my journals it hit me how sad these writings > were and from that day on I endeavored to be happy and try to write something > happy and eventually a good friend introduced me to the woods, hunting, > fishing, and reintroduced backpacking. I came upon this friend after one day > my brother and sister came back from the woods and they were talking to me > about the woods and how cool it was and what they found. It brought back > memories of exploring in the woods before I was a teenager, and I thought > maybe I lost something back then in those younger years, for exploring in the > woods was so fun. I went out in the woods and found all kinds of stuff. It > was great! Then soon after that my brother introduced me to > this good friend in which we and my brother and sometimes others would go out > walking in the woods all day, backpacking, camping, fishing or hunting and > such. Once we began talking about the Amerindians the woods became something > much deeper and I was introduced to a woods-intellect that to this day > mesmerizing me like sittin' at a fire starin'. With zazen I was further > introduced to realizing this intellect ever-present in the living, in the > wind, in the birds, in a flake of gray ash. So... it would seem suicidal > sadness and eventually a deep complaint about this culture and its non-woods > discernment was realized to be a square peg in a round hole type of difference > and this culture became a hot stove. Writing is still what saves me, helps me > clarify, have fun with words, and think my way through in order to come up > with something beautiful that satisfies and makes one this effort. Writing is > a way to help me harmonize with this world. Writing > helps me harmonize with this culture, so, this culture doesn't seem so bad, > for the writing is something of this culture I've been able to find a niche > and put my heart into - a passion in this culture, thus, I see my place more > and more in this culture. > > > SA > > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MD] is-ness >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 2:24 AM >> Ron, >> >> Maybe if Ham had some more poetry in his life, he could >> make his >> endeavor sound as beautiful as you did here. But he avoids >> this "making >> sense" stuff to what he subjects as mere poetry which >> is a lower form of >> intellectual species. The heart could add some color as >> you did below >> and actually make his effort not only more understandable >> but more >> alive. >> >> >> SA, >> Perhaps Ham has been fortunate enough to lead a relatively >> high quality >> life. He does not see experience as anything special, I >> think the >> experience of living is mystical. I had a long time to >> contemplate >> nothing-ness, >> I used to obsess on thoughts of suicide. When one gets to a >> point where >> all >> is meaningless and pain and thoughts of the extinguishment >> of self is >> contemplated you address a central value and realize you >> have a choice, >> to be or not to be. Once you make that choice it becomes a >> whole nother >> ball game. >> >> At least it was for my own experience. 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