MDiscuss Magnus' essay continued: > The different cells for very small collection of cells may not need to > communicate their intentions between each other; the animal may work > well anyway. But as the animal grows, different parts of the animal > must sometimes tell another part what to do, perhaps to synchronize > movement in a certain direction. This gets done by using the means > available to the animal, such as sending causing the receiving cells > to autonomously do something. This sending of signals to make the > animal work 'as a whole' is still social value
A body uses many means of signals, hormones for instance, but these are INORGANIC to the core. Reading a chemical substance as a biological experience (sensation) is 2nd. level's VALUE!!!!!!. > After yet some generations, the animal grows even larger and these > signals that are sent back and forth through its body, the nervous > system, gets concentrated in one central knot which most signals > pass through on their way from sender to receiver. Here is where the > intellectual level steps in. The central knot in the nervous system > gets larger and larger and can accommodate more and more complex > behavioral patterns. But it's still just a social pattern since the > sole purpose of the central knot is to make the different parts of > the body cooperate better. Intellect occurring when brains started to form??. There are many brain layers, four I seem to remember starting with the reptile kind and this is many million years old. The final neo-cortex layer was in place with Cro-Magnon people fifty thousand years ago and by no twist of logic was the Q intellect level around, not even at the latter time. > The really new pattern, an intellectual pattern, is created when > this central nerve knot is big enough to store dynamic information, > information that represents something else than itself. As I said > earlier, as long as the signals passing through, and being handled > by, the central nerve knot, are merely biological nerve signals that > will cause the receiver to act a certain way, then the signal only > means itself. It doesn't have any other meaning or purpose. But when > the nerve knot can store information about other things, such as a > dangerous smell that must be avoided even though it may smell good, > then we're talking intellectual patterns. Nothing of this is "intellect" rather INTELLIGENCE. The capacity to store an play back experience as RAM we agree about. This gave rise to intellect's notion of a mental "mind" realm. In other words INTELLECT occurred when experience was divided in an inner subjective component and an outer objective one, but that only occurred with the Greeks in our hemisphere.. > But why would such a - academic some may claim - difference give > rise to a whole new level of existence? If we use a computer > analogy, the difference is merely one of storing info in ROM vs RAM. > ROM is Read Only Memory and is written when a device is manufactured > but can never be changed, RAM on the other hand is normally emptied > each time a device is shut off but are quickly filled with dynamic > information once the computer starts. This correct enough and something you know a lot about, but this is not a new Q level of existence, not the social and least of all not intellect, animals surely display various stages of INTELLIGENCE and have a rich inner life (in dreams for instance). > Take another social pattern, like a country, and you find another > language that has developed socially, just like the language of the > nervous system. As soon as the language is in place, intellectual > institutions such as government can use it to enforce intellectual > rules instead of social. But note that the country's intellectual > patterns are still very dependent on that language. If everyone in > China just suddenly forgot how to talk and read Chinese, the country > China would collapse rather rapidly. And before the Rosetta stone > was found, with the translation between ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs > and classical Greek, all the information written in hieroglyphs was > unreadable, and as such of no intellectual value. But when it could > be understood, when we had the language with which the information > was represented, the intellectual patterns reappeared. "Another language that has developed socially? There is only one kind of language (disregard "programming languages", "body language", "nature's language and such metaphors) and it's originally a social pattern, but all levels uses the lower patterns for their own purpose and language is an important tool at the 4th. level, but is NOT intellect. > As soon as the language is in place, intellectual institutions such as > > government can use it to enforce intellectual rules instead of social. > But note that the country's intellectual patterns are still very > dependent on that language" "The term "government" may be intellectual - having a democratic ring to it - but ancient and present day non-intellect cultures surely had/has ruling groups and all they did/do is promoting social value. Intellect is dependent on language in the sense of intellect is out of society. > Thanks for reading this far. I hope you got a new perspective on the > levels from this inquiry. Even if I can't convince everyone to adopt > exactly my division, perhaps I can at least trigger a level > discussion based on science instead of limited personal > observations. Thank you Magnus what an asset you could have been to the MOQ, had you dropped your scientific approach and donned the metaphysical. Science=intellect and intellect is a subset of the MOQ, that plain fact you ought to observe. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
