Hi Marsha

To me all significance is found in the nature of patterns. And I'm afraid I am not the one to explain this to you. In some ways, it does undermine "science" as we "know" it. (I think you can say it undermines economics too.)

Yes, I agree patterns undermines all sciences. However, since patterns are the one "thing" that connects all sciences, I think we can use that connection to somehow find that least common denominator.

Directly experiencing phenomenon is possible, but requires awareness which happens seldom. It's mostly the patterns that cause the confusion. I have come to understand patterns as the conceptual opposite-from-non-(elephants for example).

I'm not a fan of that opposite-from-non-thingy. I actually don't understand what it means, or how it explains anything. To me, it's just a game with words. And the only thing it accomplishes is to force me to make two successive negations, which just brings me back to where I was.

Phenomenon is there, but not in the patterns. Within the patterns it is only symbolically represented.

I'd say it's only intellectual patterns that can "symbolically" represent anything, but I would agree if you used the "statically" instead. I think your phenomenon is pretty close to Q itself, i.e. a quality event with DQ influence.

I did read your paper. I do not think that additional levels will solve the problem. Again, I see the significance in the nature of patterns. Understanding that nature of patterns changes everything. It totally changes how one relates. It is betterness.

The additional levels doesn't show your significance, no. But I think it *does* show, by reasoning about how I found those new levels, the nature of patterns.

I do not believe changing the MOQ is the right move. The MOQ is perfect. One needs to adjust one's own view. And the way to move this along is to understand what is a pattern.

I'm quite content with my view of what a pattern is, but I'm afraid I'm unable to really understand your point of view here. Perhaps because it's still changing, or perhaps something else, not sure.

        Magnus






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