[Chris]
Don't get me wrong, this system is built as a competitive system, and if
some win, some have to loose

[Craig]
But you are wrong.  I have an orchard with more apples than I can eat &
you have a ranch with more cattle than you can eat. If I trade some apples
for some beef, it's a WIN-WIN situation.
Craig

But that's not the way it works now is it? If you however were to add two other people to the equation, person X and person Y to your production owners A and B, X and Y would not own anything but their labour that they could sell or trade. Since they need to play the game set by the social system to secure their biological needs they go to A or B and sell their labour. They go to A and sell their labour, whereupon A's profit is raised substantionally and A grows richer. He doesn't however have to share these profits with X and Y - the actual workers, but because he owns the production means he can gain all the profits and only pay a bare minimum to X and Y - the workers who provide him with the wealth. That's reality.
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