Chris: What would be a good word for wanting to build a extensive welfare state with "radical" democracy? Because that is really what I am all about, I want to make democracy work by making it possible for people to understand what it is. To give them the time and the means to understand it. That's what a welfare state is Good for. So that people can feel safe and be able to develop themselves in whatever way they want. That way we can work towards a society where people needn't be so bound by social values, because they are liberated by being born into a society where realizing your potential and going after Quality is possible without the constant fear of failing and ending up on the streets or something like that.
What would you call it? Andre; Quality! Chris, you are rightly pointing out the problem. As you say, as soon as you label something (like socialism) ancors, gut reactions, knee jerk reactions are popping up all over the place with people's pre-conceived ideas about their own interpretations of the label. The label usually has been presented with, in the main, the best possible intentions but has subsequently been ripped to pieces, criticised, vilified dragged through the sewerage...you name it...it has been done. Remember Thatcher? She couldn't get her hands on the UK Welfare state quick enough, blaming it for all the ills experienced in the UK, including moral degradation, laziness, crime, vandalism, hooliganism, decreased educational standards, the failing railway system, slumping economy etc, etc. The problem lies in the observation that all these 'good intentions and good ideas' get so subjected to SOM scrutiny that, in the end they are rendered meaningless. And we all know what survives. This is what Pirsig tried to avoid by refusing to define Quality. We need to start thinking and 'reasoning' from a MoQ 'frame of mind'. As Platt says: this is difficult to maintain. For what its worth. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
