Ron, Craig, All.
5 Nov. Ron wrote (to Craig):
> I think that too often people here DO think that MoQ IS reality. It
> is not. It is a static concept of reality, One of many possible menus.
> Ham most accurately pegged it when he stated: Ultimate reality is not
> defined by either SOM or MOQ. It is not subject or object, relations
> or difference, but is the "potentiality for difference"
> And I say bravo to those who understand this. Probably one of most
> profound statements offerd here in quite some time.
I would have thought that Ron, having written a couple of most "to the
point" posts directed my way, wouldn't fall for Craig's "menu"
observation which is Pirsig's, but nevertheless one of his most non-
quality such. In fact the menu/reality distinction is one of SOM's
countless S/Os: All theories, utterings, statements ... whatever ... are
subjective "menus" about an objective reality beyond our reach.
Pirsig's original achievement is enormous, but his goofs must be
pointed out, we are not in North Korea. The menu argument is one
because if so MOQ's DQ isn't the real article, a still greater MOQ
emerges: Super-Quality - slash - DQ/SQ which requires another
...."ad absurdum". In fact Pirsig HAS "recanted" by stating that Quality
is the DQ of MOQ. Ask Anthony!
This possibly has its origin in the "finger pointing to the moon" allegory
which tries to evade the language enigma .... created by intellect or
SOM to a subjective something that just describes something else. In
the MOQ proper, language is a social pattern that (at that level)
weren't subjective because that level has no S/O, but a means to
approach the forces or gods. Language was adapted by intellect to
convey its S/O pattern that affected language in a retro action.
Enough, I guess it's water on goose backs (ZAMM altered a bit)
Craig tends to balk at the thought of the menu/reality
dichotomy being intellect and says, "Well, the divisions were
there for the MOQ - as intellect - to discover", and you have to
say, "Where were they? Point to them!" And Craig gets a little
confused and wonders what this is all about anyway, and still
believes the menu/reality has always been..
Bo.
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