Hi Ian, i concur with you; the teleology is freedom for human life, increase of consciousness, that we will live longer and perhaps even become effectively immortal.
But re the 'random aspects of evolution' business - do you accept that although the genetic mutations are effectively random nevertheless the mechanisms of natural selection in evolution are well observed and understood? What is not understood so well is abiogenesis - how the organic rises out of the inorganic in the first place. -KO 2008/11/16 Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Krim, you said ... (gav mentioned) > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian, > > The only argument you and I have is over giving Pirsig a pass or not. > > I still don't see the argument I have with you. Like, I'm not giving > Pirsig a pass in late-20th / early-21st Century neo-Darwinian > explanations of evolution. I don't think he's claiming a pass there. > His subject was rhetorical metaphysics ... he scored an A-Plus pass > there. > > Platt chooses to be pig-ignorant of intellectual argument. I've moved on. > > Gav has that common repulsion to the "greedy reductionist" ooops take > on random aspects of evolution, as he should, but in fact I believe he > has a good intuitive grasp of the reality of emergence and what > teleology actually is. > > All I am saying is that the neo-Darwinian and Pirsigian explanations > of the emergence of layers converge on the same result. Two sides of > the same coin. > > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
