[Ham to KO] Now I ask you: is that Theism or Deism? [Arlo] Ham has said that at some point in the historical timeline, call it Point Alpha, there were primates that did NOT have consciousness. Then, at a later point, call it Point Beta, there were primates that DID have consciousness.
Perhaps Ham would care to explain "what changed?" between Point Alpha and Point Beta? Ham has also said that consciousness evolves. That is, at some point in the historical timeline, call it Point Alpha, there were distant humans (Neanderthals, e.g.) that had a lesser evolved consciousness than at a latter point, call it Point Beta. Perhaps Ham would care to explain the process by which the consciousness of those at Point Alpha "evolved" into the greater consciousness we see at Point Beta? Although he has been given every opportunity to do so, the ONLY answers coming from Ham are (1) Essence "poofed" consciousness into the timeline, evidence of a deliberate and intentional act by The Source, and (2) The Source doles out new-and-improved models of consciousness to man over time, the same way Ford updates its pickups every year. Ham also claims we were "intended" to be here, that is man was created by a Source that wanted something to "perceive its magnificence". While such a needy-Source would do better creating therapists than adulators, it certainly demonstrates a theistic approach. But I've asked, as it has (to me) important ramifications; if "man" is so intended as part of this Divine Plan, are "oak trees" as well? What about dinosaurs? What vanity did they fulfill for The Source? I ask you, KO, to consider Ham's "thesis" as it makes history comprehensible, or as it is rendered absurd by history. At best, Ham's thesis is an attempt to de-contextualize Occidental theology, a "God" that creates "man" to worship him, gives "man" dominion over the rest of creation (those "oak trees" are simply a resource and tool for man to use as he sees fit), in short a God that has created a cosmos as a stage for man, whose purpose for being is to revel in the Magnificence of the Source. Theism. (Or a theism/deism hybrid). Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
