gav, can you put in some 'hard returns' so I can read you e-mails?
this one comes out 3 1/2 feet wide... thanks--mel -----Original Message----- >From: gav <[email protected]> >Sent: Dec 27, 2008 5:01 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [MD] global warming scam? > >okay time to see if the MOQ is up to it. > >is platt right? is global warming a scam? or is he senile? > >i guess the canadians out there may know a little bout this - how's the north? >melting yet? > >over here all the warmest years on record have been in the last ten - fifteen >years. the storms are getting stronger and less predictable (we had a tornado >in west brisbane two months ago). > >my take is that the continued deforestation and pollution of our planet is >forcing it into a state of sickness. gaia is an organism like ourselves. we >are fucking with her lungs (trees etc) and she has a fever (global warming) so >that she can better 'sweat' out the toxins that we are dumping into her with >mindless regularity. > >of course i could be totally wrong. maybe pumping coal and shite into the air >is great idea;toxic waste may rock too; who needs trees - lazy fuckers; maybe >we should all just shit in each others mouths? well we sorta do i guess - >shitting into drinking water - yum! > >yes the more i think about it the more platt seems to be on the money. no >problems here. no need for thought or taking responsibility for your >actions....the market will solve all (our market who art in heaven, hallowed >be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven). > >so let's fucking party with platt!!!! >no worries >sans souci >everything is a-okay! consume consume consume!!!!!! eat yourself up!!!!!! >war is normal, continue please. don't love your kids - that's too dangerous - >may cause allergies. just defer responsibility to school, work roles etc. no >cause for alarm - suicide is painless, homelessness is a choice, alienation is >unavoidable...can we know another truly?????? of course not - we are >solipsistically connected - mute, deaf, dumb, senseless. there is no love - >love is illusory, sentimental, romantic twaddle. there is only self!!!!!! >self, self self, all for self. > >and all those people everyday that we can help....why do that. let them sort >themselves out. fucking lazy cunts. yeah you are spot on platt. the more i >think about it the more i agree with you - it's a revelation! > >so fuck u homeless, fuck you environment, fuck you kids, fuck you indigenous, >fuck everyone!!!!! fuck everyone good and hard platt - that's the way!!!!!! > >ahhhh life is so simple, simple, simple, simple, simple, simple, >simple.......banal > >a fucking arrow through the heartless > > > >--- On Sun, 28/12/08, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [MD] example of reciprocal altruism? >To: [email protected] >Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 10:36 AM > >At 04:47 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: >>Hi Marsha, >> >>You don't have to convince me about science believing one thing and then >>another. It wasn't so long ago when eugenics was all the rage in scientific >>circles. Now it's the global warming scam. > >Hi Platt, > >I do not take global warming to be an object that is subject to a >true or false existence. Global warming is an overlapping, >interrelated, interconnection, ever-changing static pattern of value. > >Marsha > > > > >>Humans have a marvelous capacity for being duped. Makes no difference if >>the source is a scientist, philosopher, politician, priest or a >>millionaire member of a Palm Beach country club. >> >>Platt >> >> >> > Hi Platt, >> > >> > If you listened to that 2-part program on Neanderthals, you'd note >> > that science once believed one thing and now believes something quite >> > different. It's all so much myth. It's reality until patterns >> > change. I do not have a problem seeing all human knowledge as a >> > temporary understanding. >> > >> > >> > Marsha >> >> > At 02:33 PM 12/27/2008, you wrote: >> > >Hi KO, Craig, Marsha, All: >> > > >> > >A couple of monkeys behaving with reciprocity in a zoo is hardly >> > evidence >> > >of our inheriting a spirit of cooperation from our animal ancestors. In >> > >fact, our closest monkey relatives, the chimpanzees, "formed hunting >> > >posses" in the wild and "tore baby baboons they captured limb from limb >> > and >> > >seemed to enjoy it." -- Lionel Tiger, professor of anthropology, >> > Rutgers >> > >University, WSJournal, 12/27/08 . >> > > >> > >Pirsig also presented less than a heartwarming picture of our >> > evolutionary >> > >inheritance: >> > > >> > >"What the Metaphysics of Quality indicates is that the >> > twentieth-century >> > >intellectual faith in man's basic goodness as spontaneous and natural >> > is >> > >disastrously naive. The ideal of a harmonious society in which everyone >> > >without coercion cooperates happily with everyone else for the mutual >> > good >> > >of all is a devastating fiction. >> > > >> > >"Studies of bones left by the cavemen indicate that cannibalism, not >> > >cooperation, was a pre-society norm. Primitive tribes such as the >> > American >> > >Indians have no record of sweetness and cooperation with other tribes. >> > They >> > >ambushed them, tortured them, dashed their children's brains out on >> > rocks. >> > >If man is basically good, then maybe it is man's basic goodness which >> > >invented social institutions to repress this land of biological savagery >> > in >> > >the first place. (Lila, 24) >> > > >> > >This reminded me of the phrase "thin veneer of civilization." When I >> > >entered it in Google the following passage quickly came to the fore: >> > > >> > >"Civilization (which is part of the circle of his imaginings) has spread >> > a >> > >veneer over the surface of the softshelled animal known as man. It is a >> > >very thin veneer; but so wonderfully is man constituted that he squirms >> > on >> > >his bit of achievement and believes he is garbed in armor-plate. >> > > >> > >"Yet man to-day is the same man that drank from his enemy's skull in >> > the >> > >dark German forests, that sacked cities, and stole his women from >> > >neighboring clans like any howling aborigine. The flesh-and-blood body >> > of >> > >man has not changed in the last several thousand years. Nor has his >> > mind >> > >changed. There is no faculty of the mind of man to-day that did not >> > exist >> > >in the minds of the men of long ago >> > > >> > >"It is the same old animal man, smeared over, it is true, with a >> > veneer, >> > >thin and magical, that makes him dream drunken dreams of >> > self-exaltation >> > >and to sneer at the flesh and the blood of him beneath the smear. The >> > raw >> > >animal crouching within him is like the earthquake monster pent in the >> > >crust of the earth. As he persuades himself against the latter till it >> > >arouses and shakes down a city, so does he persuade himself against the >> > >former until it shakes him out of his dreaming and he stands undisguised, >> > a >> > >brute like any other brute." >> > > >> > >http://www.erblist.com/erbmania/nkima/veneer.html >> > > >> > >All of which has led me to reiterate Pirsig's stern advice to today's >> > >intellectuals: >> > > >> > >"Where biological values are undermining social values intellectuals >> > must >> > >identify social behavior, not matter its ethnic connection, and support >> > it >> > >all the way without restraint. Intellectuals must find biological >> > behavior, >> > >no matter what its ethnic connection, and limit or destroy destructive >> > >biological patterns with complete moral ruthlessness., the way a doctor >> > >destroys germs, before those biological patterns destroy civilization >> > >itself." (Lila, 24) >> > > >> > >Our civilization is under attack. Will our "intellectual" leaders heed >> > >Pirsig's advice? I have my doubts. We shall see. >> > > >> > >Platt >> > > >> > > >> > > > Yes, you are right Craig but people behave altruistically often >> > without >> > > > thought of reciprocity - they do this by virtue of inheritance. The >> > > > reciprocity is the quality that was selected. >> > > > >> > > > -KO >> > > > >> > > > 2008/12/27 <[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > > > [KO] >> > > > > >> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7797776.stm >> > > > > Good news for those of us who see mutual cooperationas >> > > > > evolutionary.However, the term 'reciprocal altruism' is oxymoronic >> > > > > inEnglish. 'Altruism' is doing something for another's >> > sakewithout >> > > > expected >> > > > > benefit to one's self. 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