Gav,
I too wonder at the depth of my courage and insight. Aren't they all
suffering, even the mean, greedy ones?
What you've written reminds me of the Lila character defending the
little girl who was accused of shoplifting.
-------------
But I was interested in discovering if seeing global warming as an
ever-changing, overlapping, interrelated static pattern of value
instead of an absolute truth provided a more helpful
point-of-view. Isn't that why we are here, to find something
better. And what does the concept of 'no self' do to the experience?
Marsha
At 07:40 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
hey marsha,
i guess you add heart by being true to it, by being honest.
and it seems that you are a pretty good example of this ideal in practice.
you know how people put up veneers - personae, especially at work,
but also in school and at home...these masks we wear and that speak
for us until we lose our own voice altogether...
you know a good friend of mine stood up for a young schoolkid on the
train the other day. he was being verbally abused by the security
guard for not having a current ticket. my friend, salty, listened
for a while and then simply couldn't stay silent in good conscience.
he told the guard to stop speaking to the kid in such a aggressive
degrading manner. the guard moved over to salty and tried to bully
him but salty just replied that he was going to report him. the
guard then left him alone, and the kid.
i guess that what i am doing is sort of building my own moral
strength up via you guys. i am reminding myself that the value of
honesty and solidarity and compassion outweighs the value of
obedience and fear. i am trying to make sure that i will have the
courage to do the right thing by myself and everyone else....cos it
takes courage to stand up.
enough self-shrinking
Gav,
I am not without compassion for those who are suffering. And I am
quite capable of falling deep into frustration and expressing
anger. Tell me what I can personally do to change the world? How
can I add heart?
Marsha
At 07:11 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
>sorry to upset you marsha but perhaps there is a point to it.
>
>i think you are being unfair...and should perhaps know me well
>enough to not think that i am being an arrogant prick. but hey my
>sisters would probably agree with you at the moment if you did draw
>that conclusion.
>
>i guess i am tired of seeing people suffer around me because we have
>created a heartless society that we defer our responsibilities to.
>
>it is making me angry, all the more so because it is getting worse.
>
>impotence.
>
>i got in trouble the other day for kissing my girlfriend in front of
>the kids at one of the schools i work at.
>
>my girlfriend's friends are terrorised by the police because they
>are homeless and squatting, abandoned from an early age. they are 18
>or 19. amazingly they are very well adjusted.
>
>i don't know what i am trying to do here...just a reminder to get
>real i suppose. if u think business-as-usual is fine then you are a
>very sick puppy in my book. and i am using 'you' here to mean
>anyone, not you marsha. i happen to think you are lovely.
>
>but hey it seems my credit is running out here...could be time to
>pass the baton...seems like there are some good new folks on board
>and i am getting a bit stale.
>
>i feel like i want to write words that hurt, that tear hearts open.
>i feel like i want to write for the young against the old, so that
>they may be able to avoid the living death that their elders
>superciliously foist upon them.
>
>but these words are obviously not wanted/useful here...
>
>all the best
>gav
>
>
>
>
>
>--- On Mon, 29/12/08, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [MD] global warming scam?
>To: [email protected]
>Received: Monday, 29 December, 2008, 10:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>Another fucking judgemental god has spoken. Ain't life grand?
>
>
>
>
>At 05:50 AM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
> >hopefully this will be better
> >
> >don't know what is going on with the format
> >
> >erm....scientists are saying the warming is man-made; platt and
> >other such folk are saying the opposite.
> >
> >i don't think you understand the unprecedented consensus on this
> >issue within the scientific community...and more importantly the
> >urgency of their warning.
> >
> >but it doesn't matter much. this silly to and fro nicely illustrates
> >the wanton apathy that is going to see things fuck up big style.
> >
> >sorry to be a downer on this but i feel like the time for decorum is
> >over. it is time for action...it is time for people to speak up when
> >they are forcefed bullshit and trivia; it is time for people to say no.
> >
> >i am tired with seeing parents fuck up their own kids like they were
> >fucked up and call it love. it isn't love it is fear.
> >
> >i fell out with my sisters at xmas because i swore around my niece.
> >FUCK OFF. we continue to play victorian games with words and taboos
> >and yet we have no trouble with a world built on murder and cruelty.
> >
> >do you see this? we psychpathologise them into the world rather than
> >re-mould the world to allow their own free, innocent perfection to
> >express itself.
> >
> >schools of course do more of the same.
> >
> >and to so many of you what i am saying is controversial, radical,
> >extreme....and yet you still watch the news with the same detachment.
> >
> >what use is all this....? where are we getting? why do you think bob
> >went nuts? do you feel it too? or are you playing an intellectual game?
> >
> >'you' here is everyone, including me.
> >
> >how many opppressions do we allow or excuse everyday in the home, at
> >school, at work, in the street...
> >
> >do you want war to end? that is the question.
> >
> >
> >--- On Mon, 29/12/08, ml <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >From: ml <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [MD] global warming scam?
> >To: [email protected]
> >Received: Monday, 29 December, 2008, 7:02 PM
> >
> >Steve,
> >
> >Well, the only obvious solution is
> >cannibalism. Solve two problems with
> >one act: Reduce overpopulation and
> >eliminate world hunger.
> >
> >ManSpam by Swift.
> >
> >an immodest proposal...high intellectual quality,
> >high social, and high biological...
> >
> >thanks--mel
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve Peterson" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:46 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MD] global warming scam?
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Let's all keep in mind that the scientists pushing this "global
> > > warming" idea are the same ones who who try to convince us that we
> > > descended from monkeys and that the planets revolve around the sun and
> > > that the earth is round. Even if it actually were possible for human
> > > activity to negatively affect the environment, why should we care when
> > > Jesus will be returning to end the word soon anyway?
> > >
> > > Satirically,
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list
> > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> > > Archives:
> > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> >
> >Moq_Discuss mailing list
> >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> >Archives:
> >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
> >
> >
> >
> > Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
> > inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
> >Moq_Discuss mailing list
> >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> >Archives:
> >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
>
>.
>.
>
>
>Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
>.
>.
>
>Moq_Discuss mailing list
>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
>Archives:
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
>
>
>
> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
> inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
>Moq_Discuss mailing list
>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
>Archives:
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
.
.
Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
.
.
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
.
.
Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
.
.
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
