[Ron] You go from demonstrating how the four levels are conceptual distinctions of expereince then say they are discrete in an objective manner. Pirsig does not deny external reality, he simply states that it is dynamic and ever changing. The four levels are discrete in experience but conceptually continuouse. I agree, the term and the idea of a "meta- physics" runs contrary to what is being driven at.
[Krimel] I am sorry if I left the impression that I think that the levels are either discrete or objective. I think they are neither. They are not discrete because the MoQ put organic (carbon) chemistry in the inorganic level, It includes all social behavior other than man's in the social level and its intellectual level is utterly confused and it seems no one agrees on what should be included or excluded there. Fuzzy sets maybe but discrete levels? I don't think so. I suspect that Pirsig does not deny external reality but Dave and Dan do. They claim Pirsig is with them on this and I think they may be right. One of the reasons I would cite for my own skip of faith in accepting that there is a world that existed before and will continue after me is the kind of confusion that seems to infect those who deny it. I also think that the MoQ is not about a particular conceptual framework, like the "levels," but provides a way of examining any conceptual system. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
