> On Saturday 14 March 2009 5:34 PM Platt responds to Joe; > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Thanks for responding, but I don't grasp your point. Do you think > > moral choices are relative to individuals and/are cultures or > > not? It would seem from Pirsig's SODV quote that it is. But, that > > would put a kibosh on his idea of a universal morality would it > > not? To put it another way, what moral standards does the MOQ > > propose, if any? If there are standards, by what authority would > > they be enforced if each individual is allowed to make > > moral choices based on his life history? > > > > Thanks, > > Platt > > Hi Platt, > > IMO Pirsig posits a moral order of evolution: Inorganic etc.. Is this > hierarchical order in existence, the metaphysical basis for a moral > judgment? What is being judged? Is it a manifestation of an individual > person within an event or the hierarchical order? IMO According to > Pirsig > there are four orders in existence inorganic, organic, social, > intellectual, > a moral order. I prefer an analogy to the musical scale for order, > seven > levels in DQ existence. > > What is the measure for a manifestation within a particular order? Does > MOQ > the statement of the order, DQ/SQ the experience within the order > qualify? > IMO these three things are present in an individual manifestation. What > it > is, what it is not, what is the neutral support level (+,-,0). > > Can I observe a law of 4 or 7 in determining the level for order? A law > of > three to determine the manifestation? IMO Both are involved in a moral > judgment. > > Enforcement is good or bad. I don¹t know if my thoughts are any > clearer? > The metaphysics of morality (experience) is difficult without > commandments > or particular decisions to judge. > > I would guess the standard of authority to be what is metaphysically > described. And here I thought we were just having fun! > > Joe
Hi Joe, First of all, I'm entirely in agreement with the purpose of these discussions being a large measure of fun. When it ceases to be fun, time to move on. Second, in a book dedicated to "An Inquiry into Morals" that we're discussing on this site I think we should not shy away from talking about morals, not with the idea of telling others how to behave but simply examining current moral questions in light of the insights provided by the MOQ. Hopefully that can be done in a spirit of civility without mean- spirited personal attacks that some here are prone to flame whenever their views are challenged. Finally, your distinction between order and manifestation is not clear to me. Is it the difference between the law as written and the law as practiced? If you would care to expand on the idea, perhaps with some examples of the difference, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
