Craig I am on my way out, but must drop a response to this.
19 March. u wrote: > " I see today more clearly than when I wrote the SODV paper that the > key to integrating the MOQ with science is through philosophic > idealism, which says that objects grow out of ideas, not the other way > around." (RMP, LC, 105n) > Does anyone see a good way to reconcile this quote with the > MoQ view that each level comes out of the level below it? ...snip No one can IMO. This is akin to DMB's bad habit of returning to ZAMM where the Quality Idea still was in the process of freeing itself from SOM. At that time Pirsig found SOM's objective "horn" the mean one and saw it useful to turn the subjective one (i.e. philosophical idealism, new physics ..etc) against it. He did so in the dilemma chapter i ZAMM and THAT argument ended with him turning the metaphysical "sock" inside out - Quality is neither subjective nor objective, it's the other way round, S & O are Quality's INTELLECTUAL offshoot - and the proto-moq was born. After this Copernican revolution none of SOM's horns are relevant SOM is (as said he in ZAMM) "intellect" and when the final MOQ was written the intellectual level should have remained the value of the S/O distinction. It's disaster to start about "ideas" as if the MOQ has any affinity to SOM's subjective side and that "objects" still pose a problem ... all this is done and accounted for and I can't for the life of me understand why the annotating Pirsig does the MOQ this grand disservice. > Are organic spovs on the 1st level not objects or ideas not > intellectual spovs on the 4th? Inorganic patterns are not somish objects, but by Goodness neither are they somish "ideas" at the idea-realm that the annotating Pirsig has changed the original intellect into. The MOQ must be saved from this som-ization that the PhD keen pundits peddles and the aging Pirsig don't have the power to resist. Bye for now Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
