[Platt] What 90% does Platt dismiss? [Arlo] ZMM. Any part of LILA apart from the dozen decontextual quotes you post over and over.
[Platt] Do you deny that Pirsig describes DQ as a force? [Arlo] He uses this metaphor, sure. But it holds no water if you take him literally on that. He describes DQ in LILA as "the ongoing Dynamic edge of experience". This synthesizes with the philosophy he develops in ZMM. It synthesizes with his "hot stove" analogy and with the amoeba-acid analogy. When you consider the entirety of his writings, seeing DQ as an "external force" is hugely problematic and can't stand at all. [Platt] When did DQ stop you in your tracks? [Arlo] Each and every moment of every day, the zero-time of ALL experience, contains the seeds of uncertainty (DQ is the ongoing edge of experience... ALL experience, not "some"). [Platt] No refusal except in your imagination. [Arlo] I'm sure no one has forgotten, but I can repost the questions to prove you wrong. Will do that later. [Platt] Platt has repeated many times: chance is ignorance; DQ a positive force for good. [Arlo] Apples and oranges. "Force for good" is not an alternative for "chance". Are you suggesting DQ is "certainty" (as opposed to "chance")? Or that outcomes are "controlled" (as opposed to "chance")? Or that outcomes are predetermined (as opposed to "chance")? "Positive force for good". AKA "Qualigod". [Platt] "These patterns can't by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic Quality. Only a living being can do that." The context does not include plants and animals. [Arlo] Was there ever a point in time when NOTHING could respond to DQ? If not, what responded to DQ before "man"? Say during the Jurassic? Give any example from the archeological record of something pre-man that was responding to DQ, that that thing can also no longer do. [Platt] How can Platt reveal what he doesn't have? [Arlo] Coward. Your words speak loudly. [Platt] Platt merely reciprocates your evil ad hominems. [Arlo] Nice try. But wrong. As everyone sees. [Platt] Welcome to world of lies, half-truths and unsupported assertions -- a world lacking any dialogic value whatsoever. [Arlo] Yes, that describes you to a "T". Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
