I just read a book by a Nobel prize winning physicist, and he
certainly made it sound like they were close to having reality by the
TiTs. Did you listen to that BBC IOT program? That discussion gave
the impression physicists weren't sure of anything. Maybe neither of
us are correct, or we're both correct, or maybe we are both correct
and incorrect,,, yes, no and all of the above.
I certainly don't mind you stepping into the post, not at all. I was
trying to point out that in communicating I seem to be unable to
avoid subject/object language and assumptions. If you have a
workable method for doing so, other than silence, please share your secret.
MINDWALK is wonderful!!! I'll send you a dvd backup of the movie if
you'd like one.
Marsha
At 02:30 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote:
Marsha,
I know you like to think of most physicsts as being stuck in the 1930's
but most of the physicists who still thought in terms of objects are
either dead or retired.
I know you and Platt were just communicating, sorry for stepping in,
I just thought that u-tube link was terribly interesting.
-Ron
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From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Patterns s/o or relationship???
Ron,
I agree with you. It's impossible to find the words, and why
understanding the nature of these patterns (word-labels) is
........ There is no common assumption. At their most
understandable they're relationship, but in the end they are so much
dust in the wind. If you want to be the hammerer on top, be my
guest. A hammer is not as elegant as an X Acto Knife. I was just
trying to communicate with Platt.
As far SOL being obsolete for MOQ'ers, I was thinking of yet-to-be
MOQ'ers. And Earth to Ron, many physicists do not know other than
s/o with lots of space.
Marsha
At 01:43 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote:
>Platt, Marsha,
> Basically that is what she is saying only she uses the term relationship
>which is commonly understood as interaction between objects, but, she
>already states that what we assume as objects are actually greater sets
>of relationships, relationships of relationships or a better word for what
>she is describing is value.
>
>As I keep hammering on, common assumptions about common terms
>in our culture is what creates philosophical paradox , the failure
>of rationalism. Our language is based on the grammatic predication
>of subjects and objects. So even when we hear the term relationships
>we automatically conceptualize the interaction of objects and have
difficulty
>even forming concepts about entityless abstractions. The same goes
for value,
>The terms "value" and "relationship" are almost meaningless without
>the conventional conception of objects.
>Physicists have understood the inherent emptiness of reality for the past
>60-70 yrs but has yet to percolate to the public.
>This is why SOL is redundant and obsolete, as MoQists
>we already know this, physicists already know this.
>Pirsig uses the lingual distinction of Dq/Sq just to avoid
>essentialism in conception.
>
>-Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:16:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] Patterns s/o or relationship???
>
>On 5 May 2009 at 6:56, MarshaV wrote:
>
> >
> > Are all physicist as enlightened as this one???
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRduOpj1R7c&feature=related
> >
> >
> > 4:05 minutes
>
>Marsha,
>
>Don't you think this physicist would be more enlightened if she had
>acknowledged the role of values in the structure of the universe?
>Emphasizing relationships and interconnections as she does strikes me as
>assuming an S/O premise.
>
>Thanks for the link.
>
>Platt
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