> [Krimel]
> But money is never the SOURCE of value. The source of value is the things
> we acquire using money. Money is always a measure of Value as in "How much
> does that cost?" This works really, really well in a whole variety of
> situations, especially the redistribution of wealth and of scarce goods 
> and services. But there are many areas where it is completely
inappropriate 
> of value. I listed medicine and education but love, family, monopolies,
law
> as a measure and politics are others were its role is pernicious and its 
> influence should be minimized.

[John]
Ah my friend, you are absolutely right but absolutely wrong.  Money should
never be the source of value, but it more than often is.  

[Krimel]
No, it is not. No one values money for its own sake, no one, ever. Money
ONLY has value in virtue of the social understanding of what money is and
what you can do with it. Even the very wealthy, who seem to use it as a way
of keeping score, value you money for what it means not for what it is.

[John]
How many decisions
of Quality are shortchanged due to monetary considerations in an average
man's life?  You hear this dilemma in every sphere of social discourse.
 Money should NOT be a source of value.  It should be a MEASUREMENT of value
and modified in the most free and open market ways possible. That is the
highest good that I can see right now.

[Krimel]
There you have it, money is a way of measuring value. The idea that some
kind of mythical market is the only means of apportioning value is a satanic
view advanced by the Raygun revolution. People were not quite so stupid
prior to 1980. Hopefully the folly of the foolishness has been amply
demonstrated and we can finally put it behind us. 

Think about what you are saying. A free market really means a chance market.
It means that value is assigned through a series of random acts without any
intellectual interference. This is why basketball players get millions and
teachers get squat. It is why the shady dealings of hedge fund managers and
corporate raiders are richly rewarded and secretaries and police officers
are lucky to make ends meet.

[John]
When money becomes the source of value, evil - that is, bad programming,
enters into the matrix.

[Krimel]
Exactly, but you only get to that realization by swallowing the Red Pill.
There is still a lot of Blue Pill thinking out there.


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