hiya, re:plato's form of the good. in the seventh letter, (i think that's what it's called) appended to my edition of the republic, plato himself declares his unease over fixing 'the good' - making it static. i will dig out the quote when i get back to my abode in the clouds.
over and out gav the magical hamster --- On Tue, 19/5/09, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > From: david buchanan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Philosophy, Metaphysics, and Common Sense > To: [email protected] > Received: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 3:42 AM > > Bo said to dmb: > Look to Matt about the Greek thinkers as the "first > intellectuals" and that the Sophists were part of the > intellectual movement. If the subjective horn was/is more > "mean" than the objective, yes, I tend to see it that way, > but calling it "dynamic" - no, it's static intellectual > value. > > > dmb says:Matt has never seen the value of the point I was > making about the dynamic. That's also what I thought he left > out of his essay. Each of you has your own reason, but you > both disagree with me on this. I think it's really obvious > that Pirsig does too. Look for the opposition of "fixed" and > "ever-changing". You don't have to be a philosopher to see > that as a description of "static" and "dynamic". Plus > there's the dharma and the arete of the Sophist. There is > the fact that SOM was already pre-figured at the social > level, including the grammatical structure of the language. > And then there's the point that Plato was an intellectual > but not a SOMist. > "...Plato's Good was a fixed and eternal and unmoving Idea, > whereas for the rhetoricians it was not an Idea at all. The > Good was not a form of reality. It was reality itself, ever > changing, ultimately unknowable in any kind of fixed, rigid > way." > But you just go ahead and believe whatever you like, Bo. > Nothing I say will make any difference there. > > Matt said:I think Bo's continued assertion that SOM is the > intellectual level is wrong on a historical and conceptual > level. He concedes that it is wrong on the textual > level, so there's very little point in emphasizing that, but > on the side of history, I don't think anything like the > modern subjective/objective distinction existed in Greek > thought (though its original impetus is clearly traceable to > there) and to characterize as Bo does is too excessively > misleading, to the point of being counterproductive. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
