Marsha,
Well said! A clear, concise summary of Bo's position as ever posted.
Just to add a bit to it I ran across in
reviewing Pirsig's notes to the LS his
description of S/O as "scientific thinking." (Notes 56 & 59) I thought that
hit the nail on the proverbial head. What we need is less scientific
thinking and more aesthetic thinking -- a cause you have championed
from the get go.
Platt
On 21 May 2009 at 8:50, MarshaV wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> I'm talking, like Bo, of the explanatory strength
> of the MOQ. It seems to me that if it is clearly
> stated that the Intellectual Level is of
> subject/object patterns it becomes very clear
> that dwelling in the Intellectual Level (no how
> exalted it seems) is not going to get you to the MOQ point-of-view.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> At 08:43 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
> >Marsha, I think the point is clinging to that
> >entrapment. It takes a bravery and a
> >fearlessness to overcome it. As the Sophists say
> >and many others, excellence is a practice, like
> >the entrapment. We were taught to practice s/o
> >over a long period of growth like wise we must
> >teach ourselves and reinforce excellence over a
> >long peroid of growth. The impossiblity of
> >escape disolves with the practice of excellence.
> >I have found the four agreements works well
> >within the four levels of excellence and
> >reinforces their meaning. Ruiz says that by
> >slowly breaking the agreements made with the
> >small self and replacing them with the
> >agreements of Quality, through practice we will
> >be free of it. they are: Â BE IMPECCABLE WITH
> >YOUR WORD Speak with integrity. Say only what
> >you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against
> >yourself or to gossip about others. Use the
> >power of your word in the direction of truth and
> >love. DONâEURTMT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY Nothing
> >others do is because of you. What others say and
> >do is a projection of their own reality, their
> >own dream. When you are immune to the opinions
> >of others, you wonâEURTMt be the victim of needless
> >suffering. DONâEURTMT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS Find the
> >courage to ask questions and to express what you
> >really want. Communicate with others as clearly
> >as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness,
> >and drama. With just this one agreement, you can
> >completely transform your life. ALWAYS DO YOUR
> >BEST Your best is going to change from moment to
> >moment; it will be different when you are
> >healthy as opposed to sick. Under any
> >circumstance, simply do your best, and you will
> >avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
> >Â Â Â ________________________________ From:
> >MarshaV <[email protected]> To:
> >[email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 21,
> >2009 5:50:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant
> >Capitalism Ron, Don't you think Bo has a valid
> >point. It seems impossible to breakaway from
> >the subject/object chatter which is entrapment.
> >Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you
> >wrote: >Ron > >On 19 May you wrote: > > > Are
> >you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by
> >being > > anti-intellectual? > >Yes, the
> >greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because -
> >prior to the MOQ >- it was
> >reality itself (like the 3rd and 2nd. and
> >1st have been in their >time) Platt isn't
> >"anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level
> >for >what it is, >namely a static level that
> >refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new >reality
> >The MOQ is of course no static level, but in
> >this particular >context it has a level-like
> >relationship with intellect. > > > Also, are you
> >saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more
> >moral than > > social patterns? > >Yes,
> >intellect is the highest static level, yet the
> >mere knowledge of the >dynamic/static context
> >(that the upper level is dependent the
> >lower >level for its own good) prevents
> >intellect from undermining its social >base. The
> >big question is if it prevents the MOQ from
> >undermining its >own base - intellect - I mean
> >if it can go on after being reduced to a >static
> >level? (footnote). > > > Essentially you are
> >saying that no one knows intellectual quality
> >unless > > they subscribe to your SOL.
> >-Ron > >That's right, but it isn't really "my
> >SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is >just one
> >"static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's
> >also called >"intellect" >so it was clearly
> >Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are
> >many >indications that SOM is no foreign matter
> >that has polluted intellect, but >the very
> >article. > >IMO > >Bo > > >Footnote: >This is
> >the "intellect joining forces with biology to
> >quell society" >phenomenon brought one notch
> >up. The MOQ joining forces with >social value to
> >quell intellect. This would be a disaster and
> >why I at >times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid
> >as .... but is it GOOD? >Perhaps better let it
> >continue in its harmless "academical" vein,
> >letting . >Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be
> >the administrators of
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