At 07:37 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote:
Hi Marsha
You said:
> I'm going to try to explain my perspective of the MOQ. The
> Metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics that states the Reality
> equals Quality (Value).
But then Quality is the DQ of the MOQ ...no?
> Quality can be said to have two aspects: Dynamic and Static.
Here we go again, it's Quality that has a static aspect!
This is just a word problem. Yes Quality and DQ are the same, but I
think static quality is Quality too.
All is Quality, what appears as patterns is static quality, and all
else is called Quality/DQ.
> Static Quality is made up of static patterns of value which can be
> categorized into four evolutionary levels: Inorganic, Biological,
> Social and Intellectual.
Agree!
> The MOQ postulates that REALITY EQUALS QUALITY (Dynamic and static).
Yes, reality is the DQ/SQ configuration.
> The four evolutionary, categorizing levels represent all static
> quality (patterns of value). Quality that is not static quality is
> Dynamic Quality. So the top most point-of-view is not the MOQ, but
> is REALITY EQUALS QUALITY.
There was no-one who said that reality was NOT quality before Pirsig.
What ruled was the subject/object metaphysics and because MOQ's
mission is to overthrow SOM its dynamic/static schism is what counts.
Your first sentence is unclear to me. As far as I know, SOM was not
accepted as the official metaphysics of any era. Reality as a s/o
duality in its various forms seems to have been the most common
point-of-view within the philosophical circles, including periods
where one was rejected countered by periods when the other was
rejected. I doubt that common people thought about it at all; I
would guess that they had been indoctrinated with a 'theological determinism'.
Overthrow? How? It is hard enough to overthrow the idea of
subjects and objects within one's individual brain. The ego portion
of the self seems to exist because of it.
Mark did not notice or understand my comparison with physics.
Einstein's revolutionary axiom was the E=MC2 (all is energy) but
energy comes in two forms, the dynamic "E" and the static 'M'(ass)
(times the speed of light). After this is accepted the "all is energy"
disappears from sight, it's taken for granted.If when the MOQ is
accepted the "Reality is Quality" is superfluous, it's taken for
granted.
That is a lot of accepting first; the Earth may flick us into
oblivion before it happens.
BTW, have you ever listened to explanations of Quantum
Theory&etc.? If it wasn't labeled science, it could only be called
mysticism.
> QUALITY is the ocean, Dynamic/static is the waves. imho
In my opinion DQ is the ocean and the waves the static levels with
ripples on top of the waves= static patterns.
I don't know how to state it in a rational sentence, but to me the
movement of those waves requires the static and dynamic. As one goes
deeper into the ocean, the static falls away.
Marsha
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The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and
interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual,
static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.
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