Hi Gav, Consciousness is also a word that begs a definition.
It is my feeling that consciousness is often mistaken for thoughts. It is useful for me to think of consciousness as that which experiences thoughts. Thoughts are an expression of our physical bodies, in the same way our beating hear is I can feel my brain thinking. The way I see consciousness is it is that very personal identification with this world. That personal sense of being. I suppose it can be called the soul or witness, but when soul is mentioned, it creates many thoughts of religion and all the baggage that come with it, which merely makes it another word that begs a definition. When I am able to relegate my thoughts to just another function of my body, I am still left with something that is ever there, something that has been part of me since I was born, and I feel was there before that. My thoughts are always changing, and I wouldn't recognize myself if I talked to me as I was twenty years ago, except that I would sense that presence. At the expense of relegating my definition of consciousness to that realm of where it is of no real use, it is the Tao, it is Brahman, it is Quality. The fact that it is so personally me, still has me somewhat in awe. I'm not sure if we are improving our consciousness, our brains are just trying to get in touch with it. Cheers, Willblake2 On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:38:35 PM, gav <[email protected]> wrote: there are still people who HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST FOR A WHILE who still don't get the fundamentally mystical nature of the MOQ, even though this is an explicit feature of the MOQ - ie DQ. this first error leads to an avalanche of misconceptions. there is mystery at the heart of everything - every finitude reveals itself infinite upon closer inspection. the hologram is a good analogy here. in other words all parts contain the whole and the whole is infinite, as it cannot be differentiated. tat tvam asi. you are this whole. the world is an allegorical/analogical projection/correspondence of your self - your inner being. this is the domain of myth; only mythopoetry can decode this relationship twixt inner and outer. once this point is grasped it becomes clear that the only efficacious way to change the world is to become more and more conscious. by bringing into consciousness those elements that were unconscious we disarm them, and not only that; we also release the energies that these habitual patterns were stymying. this process of recognition and release transforms the self and by extension the world. "the world has not to be put in order: the world is order incarnate. it is for us to put ourselves in unison with this order, to know what is the world order in contradistinction to the wishful-thinking orders which we seek to impose on one another" this miller quote says it well. the world-order, the Tao, is perfect. the world is not the problem. the problem is the 'wishful-thinking orders' that we project onto it and ourselves. see the change! the world is not fucked. it is perfect. all the war, misery, hate, greed etc etc - it is the perfect refracted reflection of our unconscious inner state, and therefore the perfect tool with which to bring this state into consciousness. (if we keep being confronted with it we eventually have to deal with it). gandhi knew this; eckhart tolle knows this and expresses it with simple precision. ram dass is good too. do you see? do you see how politics, economics, ideologies of all stripes: these are detours, dead-ends. they can accomplish nothing if they are not predicated on a change in individual consciousness. the question i would like to ask is that if, as i imagine, we are in the midst of this evolutionary process, which will culminate in the integration of human consciousness as a collective 'gaian' mind, will this herald a new static level above intellect? cheers g Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
