[On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is there any more appropriate subject for understanding the MoQ than a > dialogue on Love? What is Quality except caring? What is Quality except > Love? What is Phaedrus but the name of a dialogue on Love? It's a > recurring theme. > [Lu responds] Quality *is* Love Though love may not always be Quality. How much Quality is contained in your love - say towards your wife? There is a beauty to the uncarved block (Po, Pooh), but we women tend to want to go ahead and carve it anyway, see if we can pull a little more beauty, not to mention usefulness, out of it. Do you hide in your room, writing large thoughts on definitions of love, and refining your philosophy, while your wife looks at the pile of stuff you accumulated in your youth to build a staircase to the moon, wishing you'd at least turn it into a wood shed? [John Carl Again] > Love as we usually mean it doesn't really exist biologically. Biological > beings procreate and form alliances in a pragmatic way that fails to > capture > the emotion we express when we say "LOVE". Love is an emotion containing > loyalty, bonding and caring for the other that comes from a social reality > most apparent in mammals. > > An emotion. [Lu] Emotions come and go. Real Love, the kind that differentiates us from dumb animals, is a choice. Hollywood-ized, romanticized, emotional love is the myth. It's the myth that has completely confused the world and is responsible for the high rate of divorce (oh, the *feelings* went away). [John] > Intellectual apprehension adds nothing to the reality of love. Although it > can detract. It can get > men so fond of abstraction that they forget basic reality and take their > abstract games as more important than or superior too the root real > emotion. I disagree that "Intellectual apprehension adds nothing to the reality of love". If my husband doesn't do the things that I can understand as loving me (speaking my "love language"), but if I can itellectually aprehend that when he changes my oil, or goes to work everyday, these are the ways in which he is telling me that he loves me - for me, it becomes more real. Maybe it doesn't change his love, but it changes me. Ask your wife - does she feel your love? Is she content with all this intellectualization? Or would she rather see your love in action - how about that would shed? Lu Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
