Hi DMB, Khaled ...

Interesting documentary. Where is that summary from DMB ?

 In defence of game theory - Nash's ideas were that most complex
socio-intellectual actions are a game - moves that anticipate the
moves of others - where we players are rational agents. This provided
a way of modelling and predicting outcomes to help decision-making.
The problems arise when people using such models take too narrow a
"selfish" view of the agents "interests" and too crude a view of
"rationality". Then we get self-serving "autistic" & "neurotic"
economics - the kind that has been dragging us down since Friedman,
Thatcher and Reagan.

Regards
Ian

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:56 PM, david buchanan<[email protected]> wrote:
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> Khaled provided a link to the BBC documentary, 'the trap' Ā 
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17371.htm
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> dmb says:
> Thanks for that, Khaled. I've started watching it and find it to be quite 
> delicious. I found a succinct little summary of the kind of stuff people will 
> find in the film, at least in the first part. Hopefully, this will help 
> explain some of the main ideas...
>
> Here is our take on the fundamental differences of belief and values that 
> differentiate the 'Nordic Model' and the 'Free-market' type best exemplified 
> by the United States.Free Market Assumptions
> The building blocks of a society are individuals, their families and 
> immediate dependents. 'Society' - the wider association of interdependent 
> individuals - is a chimera dreamed up by left-wing intellectuals. (See 
> Margaret Thatcher*).The best outcomes for all will come from individuals 
> acting in their own interests. (See Game Theory**). Successful, highly 
> motivated people ought not to be restrained in their pursuit, accumulation 
> and disposal of wealth.The Market represents the summation of collective 
> knowledge and wisdom and produces better results than interventions and 
> initiatives by institutions, especially governments.Markets are the most 
> efficient way of allocating resources in a society, as they will be deployed 
> to those places where the needs are greatest and the returns highest.Markets 
> also self-adjust efficiently, resolving anomalies and glitches automatically 
> and far more effectively than government led intervention.Institutions, 
> especially governments, are incapable of improving the lot of people - only 
> economically successful, highly motivated individuals working in free markets 
> can do that. Their success can be an example for all to follow. It will also 
> be beneficial to all through increasing the total stock of wealth and such 
> mechanisms as 'trickle-down' and philanthropy.* Margaret Thatcher famously 
> said: "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women 
> and their families". This interesting statement would seem to be connected 
> with her strong belief in markets as being better mechanisms for fulfilling 
> individuals' needs than community or government. Behind this view, lies the 
> bizarre science of Game Theory - see next point.
> ** The deep assumptions lying behind the belief that markets are the most 
> effective means of fulfilling peoples' deepest wants and needs arises from 
> the assertion that human beings are selfish individuals, inexorably driven by 
> a simple desire to fulfil their own interests, adjusting their behaviour to 
> counter others' attempts to do the same. Game Theory, which supports this 
> idea, is backed by complex mathematical models that purport to explain human 
> behaviour. This theory has been adopted by some biological scientists, who 
> postulate that humans, like all animals, are receptacles for and driven by, 
> the selfish need of their genes to reproduce. In this sense, human behaviour 
> is determined by genetics, people will follow a set of rules which can be 
> understood by complex mathematical modelling. This theory was developed to 
> predict adversaries' behaviour in the Cold War and eagerly taken up by some 
> geneticists and economists.In case you think economic science has gone mad, 
> all the above is fact. These theories have been enthusiastically adopted by 
> many economists and politicians who assert that, given that people are driven 
> simply by selfish individualism, then the market is a more effective means of 
> giving them what they need than membership of society or democratic politics. 
> The economics of Reagan, Thatcher, Blair and Bush have all been driven by 
> Game Theory and its derivatives, even if they didn't understand that! The 
> high priests of these wondrous theories are an economist, James Buchanan 
> (who, when it was put to him that people had a social conscience and cared 
> about others, said that he "couldn't compute" that) and mathematician John 
> Nash, who made a recovery from the paranoid schizophrenia from which he was 
> suffering when he developed his theories.These constructs are now being 
> seriously challenged in both economic and biological domains and John Nash 
> later described his own theories as being grossly simplistic and not at all 
> representative of the complexity of human beings.Adam Curtis, who has 
> produced a brilliant series of BBC TV documentaries on these themes, sums it 
> up nicely: "The only people who still believe these theories are (some) 
> economists - and psychopaths" And maybe the Economist magazine??
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