Yeah Craig, They "mention" the prisoners dilemma, but go straight into the example where both parties have something worth keeping as well as something worth avoiding, and where there is a asymmetry in ownership to start with - variations on the base theme. But as you say, the point is given that we are not actually prisoners, the message is that it is better to collaborate IF you are given the opportunity to create trust. (Not many of us are often in the position of being isolated prisoners in the treal world - the age old problem of mixing up the model with reality - Bo if you're listening.)
My message is that people are wrong to choose to be prisoners of the SOMist model of objective "value" - just cos some "scientific" sounding geek with a computer told em so. Computer sez "No". Regards Ian On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > [Arlo] >> Where does the documentary get [the "Prisoner's Dilemma"] wrong, and what is >> its significance >> that you feel they miss? > > Glad you asked. What the "documentary" mistakenly calls the "Prisoner's > Dilemma" is an example of an exchange where one party reneges. Only t aken > in isolation is this in that party's > interest & has been known since at least the time of the VIIIth Commandment > as THEFT. > The real Prisoner's Dilemma, on the other hand, argu es against a particular > notion of rationality (as did Pirsig in his own way ). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma > The significance is this: Even though 1) A is better off doing X whether B > does X or not-X > & 2) B is better off doing X whether A does X or not-X, none-the-less 3) > A & B can be better off by both doing not-X. In short, co-operation between > A & B can lead to a better result than A & B > both pursuing what they judge as their separate best interest. > Craig > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
