Bodvar, if SOL is what you say it is, then convincing Ham of your arguement should be possible from his view.
now is your time to shine ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:14:47 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) Good old Ham Bo before: > > Phew, your interpretation of my SOL (interpretation of the > > MOQ) is frustrating, do you do it to provoke me?. Anyway, > > the S/O distinction is the intellectual level's value (this is static > > and thus not existence's deepest ground, which is Dynamic/Static) but as > > real as the rest of the static levels, as real as rocks, as our bodies, > > as our social patterns. Get it??????????????? Ham: > Yes, I got it long ago. The problem with this ontology is that the ground > of existence, which you now call "Dynamic/Static", cannot be Quality or > some combination of dynamic and static quality. Quality (Value) is what > the subject perceives and is not realized (i.e., does not exist) without a > sensible agent. What you conclude as "real" is no more than plain old > existence conceived in two ways: as it is experienced (by the subject) and > as it is intellectualized (by the subject). Eureka! ...you have NOT found > it. MOQ postulates that the ruling Western World View is the Subject/Object - aka Mind/Matter (abbreviated SOM). You postulate that the S/O split (or in your lingo between the Sensible Agent and its Awareness) is no "world view" because it is reality itself - existence's deepest ground. Is that right? It must be possible to smoke you out. So no more for now. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
