I had felt that way too
but
I had a need to revisit it given I have learned that he
wote in the same style as Pirsig as a narrative.
a Koan
in Dwai's words:
This I believe was Nagarjuna's use of prasanga (or Dialectics) to
show that any position in a debate can be reduced to absurdity and
contradiction.
This is meant to show that no categorical framework in itself is
absolute...neither the "truth claims" that they make. The "Truth"/
Reality that people see/adhere to is simply a result of the
categorical framework they use."
Understanding it in this way and not in the way he has been
interpreted as other philosophic writing of the time
of an exponding of an absollute philosphical system to be
dogmatically followed as Aristotle or protagoras.
try reading Sophist, just this once with this sort of eye and, in
relation to the conversations that have been
engaged recently.
You may be pleasently suprised
I was
"
----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:05:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Salami & Wisdom ?
Ron,
I do not want to necessarily cause controversy, but I do not
necessarily
want to avoid challenging what is politically correct, even
philosophically,
either. I'm not intelligent enough or philosophically
knowledgeable enough
to be one much a challenge. - I have the complete works of Plato,
and have
read some of it. I am tired of Plato, though, and would like to
read and
consider seriously those writers who were/are thinking around,
beyond,
beneath Plato for a different perspective, a better perspective.
Marsha
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MD] Salami & Wisdom ?
I think a better term
one that would draw less
controversy is Pragmatism
which holds many truths
and which are contextual
to experience
I just read
Sophist
by Plato and it is a wonderful dialog of the sort
you are pursuing
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/sophist.html
and an excellent piece to discuss which concerns the issue without
getting
personal in way of beliefs and accusitory of attacks
-Ron
----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:14:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Salami & Wisdom ?
From Wiki:
"The term (Relativism) often refers to truth relativism, which is the
doctrine that there are no absolute truths, i.e., that truth is
always
relative to some particular frame of reference, such as a language
or a
culture."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism
The MoQ support multiple truths. Seems to me the frame of
reference within
the MoQ would be the value.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of david
buchanan
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MD] Salami & Wisdom ?
Marsha said:
Just for the record, I still say the truth of knowledge, which is
static
patterns of value, is still relative to immediate experience.
dmb says:
According to my computer's dictionary, the term "relative" has seven
different definitions. Four of them are adjectives. Three of them
are nouns.
None of them refers to "relativism". In your sentence above, the term
"relative" is used to mean that static patterns are "related" to
immediate
experience or that concepts exist in "relation" to immediate
experience. If
you mean to say that concepts are derived from experience, I'd agree.
Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with relativism. As the
little joke
about me and my cousin being related to each other was meant to
indicate, as
the explanation about panrelationalism was meant to indicate,
relativism is
NOT merely a claim that one thing is related to another - whether
than
relation is genetic or conceptual or anything else. That's just not
what
relativism means. That's just not how people use the term. Well, not
informed people anyway.
It's hard to me to believe that you are really THAT confused about
what the
word means. Don't take my word for it. Look it up.
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