Bo: But this is the "MOQ an intellectual pattern" assertion that prevents it from transcending SOM or Intellect which is supposed to be a MOQ pattern.and thereby a reality of its own with no umbilical chord to the Aristotelian kind. This Q-reality one either can refuse to enter or one is caught in it like a black hole. This above - MOQ an intellectual pattern - makes the MOQ incomplete, I compare it with Socrates whose obsession was TRUTH but oblivious to the SOM that was to grow from it. Pirsig DID however make the MOQ but his obsession with Quality and seeing as independent of the MOQ .... OK everybody knows my frustration here.
Ron: Socrates "obsession" was virtue, eudimona, living a good life. A life of Quality. And thats the whole point Bo, It's argueable one can literally transcend your intellect but you can transcend particular intellectual patterns. One could say, through meditation and peyote experiences one "transcends" intellect, but my experience has been that it breaks intellect down into it's base componants revealing patterns like objectivism as constructions. Umbilical chord? rejecting objectivism is not throwing the baby out with the bath water it just means we are rejecting it's assumptions as what IS. DQ/SQ is not what IS just another way to understand Experience, more inclusively, one that does not relegate value as subjective in an objective universe but makes value central to understanding all experience. this is MoQ's great explainitory power That value (Quality) creates the world we live in every last bit. you talk of reality as it were a DQ/SQ substance out there as the deeper split of subject/object that static quality is the origin of s/o and SQ the spawn of DQ. Literally Objectively And when you use the term "subjectivist" pejorativly as you do in reference to the Pragmatists position you only prove this point. -R > > Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ Get > back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB > _BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
