John, Marsha and Multitude 31 Aug.
John: > I've been stacking pipes on a hill. Conditions here are nice right now. > I've been thinking a bit about Bo too. Marsha: > Bo takes so much heat, and is so persistent and patient, that I just > felt the need to support him. Thanks Marsha, but no thanks. > Something today has me thinking along the same lines: My objecting to > Objectivism. Objectivism (Rationality) along with subjectivism (Irrationality) is what the MOQ rejects AS REALITY'S GROUND and makes into (the value of) its intellectual level. In the following I'll use this variety of the S/O. SOM emerged as rationality, but simultaneously irrationality emerged, it's what darkness is to light, what intellect contemptuously called the past (what we know as the Social level). Thus irrationality is part of intellect's repertoire, and why I call it the value of the distinction (the elements themselves has no existence) The Social level is from before intellect and consequently knows no "irrationality" and dislikes being called so (by intellect) the devout believer says that God is beyond rationality's "jurisdiction", God is neither objective nor subjective. And s/he is right, what God really is the MOQ has no opinion about (real/irreal is intellect's business) it just says that rationality is a higher static good. We may however have dynamic insights and raptures where all static patterns are transcended, but these do not transcend the MOQ, because it IS the Dynamic/Static distinction itself. Here's where Pirsig went too far from fear of not sounding "dynamic" enough. Most of the alleged moqists claim that the intellectual level is a mental realm of ideas, SOM one idea, the MOQ another. I don't call them - Ron f.ex - stupid, but something important is missing in their understanding. Mental/Corporeal is another S/O and what the MOQ rejects as fundamental consequently there is no idea realm different from a material ditto - outside of the 4th. level, that is. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
