see, this is exactly it, I'm trying to honostly convey what others in my life have criticzed me on and all you can see is the implied insult
yes you are eyeballs deep most of us are but somehow you think your above all that your such an asshole ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Ron, You are inventing a lot of criticism of yourself that was never made. Meanwhile, you have said of me, "and you yourself are eye balls deep in your own brand of horse shit". You are a funny guy. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty contradiction looking for hidden meaning, deciet and devices in everything. says alot. That part in Lila, when Lila goes off on Phaedrus, she is judging him too, measuring him against every experience she ever had with "guys like him" they both see what they want to see, they both are what they want them to be, to each other. all honosty is lost. Often, the way I speak, which is a consciouse endeavor to be dynamic and honost, to say what I mean and mean what I say is often misconstued in this fashion. My flat inflections, my backward speech my ambiguous statements my poor grammar. I have been labeled eveything from being decietful to nieve simply by the way I speak. -ron ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:46:52 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Ron, Where am I not being honest? And how do you know? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Marsha, be honost ----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:52:30 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Ron, You have a family to support, two daughters to raise, a demanding job. Those responsibilities are all past for me. I dreamt all my life of someday being able to pursue more intently a "spiritual" path, and that is what I am doing. Maybe I'm doing it badly. Maybe you'd do it differently. Maybe my choice of words is too irrationally. Maybe my style is too whimsical. Maybe I am steeped in horse shit. Ron, would you like to tell me how to be? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Ian, Its that the discuss has evolved into a kind of mad hatters tea party after a period of, (I thought) of a coming together of ideas. Marsha posits that no one can really say anything about anything but SHE can sure say alot. Bo talks in circles and everyone else simply delights in the confusion. If you think this is fun discourse, than Ian, have fun. I find it frustrating and perhaps a break is required for me. I simply derive no joy from the experience of the discuss at the moment. gumption trap time to walk away for a bit and come back with a fresh eye ----- Original Message ---- From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:07:01 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty Ian: Ron, you had some kind of personality / style change a few months ago (?), which I can't quite work out, but I have to say (again) Marsha is the MoQ'er who gets it (non-intellectually) better than anyone IMHO. Ron: I think Andre put it best: Andre: On second thoughts Marsha, what good is a quality event (high or low) if, as seems to be argued here on this discuss, you cannot scream it from the rooftops. That, by putting it into words it detracts from the experience. Yes, I am mindfull of the 'embedded in language' stuff but if we start to exaggerate its detraction then we all need to shut up. If you experience a high quality event then scream your delight. If you experience a low quality event the scream your disgust. But, I can't tell you what to do anyway so...do what you like..or rather...nothing...or I don't care what you do...or....oh fuck this! 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