Hi Platt, I like this Platt. I think of the MoQ as all process until it is intellectualized, then it collapses into a subject and object. Just like a photon. More often than not, you seem correct.
Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] The Word is Not the Thing All: The great debate about whether the MOQ belongs to the intellectual level or not may have a rather simple solution. It both belongs to the intellectual level and it doesn't. As a description of reality it's a static intellectual pattern. As the central reality it's Dynamic -- beyond words. I've come to this conclusion by reviewing Pirsig's comment in Lila's Child to an assertion I made about the MOQ many years ago, namely that "The MOQ is an SOM document based on SOM reasoning." (and by implication belonging to the intellectual level). In note 132 Pirsig wrote: "It employs SOM reasoning the SOM reasoning employs social structures such as courts and journals and learned societies to make itself known. SOM reasoning is not subordinate to these social structures, and the MOQ is not subordinate to the SOM structures it employs. Remember the central reality of the MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else. It is understood by direct experience only and not by reasoning of any kind.". Or, as my old college textbook on semantics says, "The word is not the thing." A map is not the territory, a menu is not the food, a pointing finger is not the moon. Obvious? Of course. But I easily forget. I forget the independence of symbols from the experiences symbolized. I fail to remember that the differences between actual and symbolic experience are great. I am not at risk of being killed by watching a movie like "The Longest Day;" I don't feel the cold while reading about the Antarctic. And so it is with the MOQ. It's intellectual pattern contained in ZAMM and Lila is the map at the intellectual level. Dynamic quality experience is the territory. Many focus on the former and call it the MOQ. Bo focuses on the latter and calls it the MOQ. Like the heads and tails of a coin, both are right. Here we battle over interpreting the map. At the same time as we write to express our views, we engage Dynamic quality. I'm sure others have reached this conclusion before and may have presented it here. For me sometimes the dawning comes late. As always, I could be wrong. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
