Hello Khoo 1 Feb. you wrote:
> Bo, the Boddhisatva, Tell us, how do you envisage such a "western > buddhism" and how would it work ? How different is it from its > "Eastern cousin". Now that you have come out and suggested it, we would > like to hear it from you. Please enlighten us. Best regards Khoo Hock > Aun Thanks for the new "rank" but too long hours and no pay ;-) How I envisage the MOQ as a "western buddhism" I have told many times No particular enlightenment is required except understanding the MOQ, but that seems to be the needle eye for the camels. You surely remember my string of reasoning 1) "Philosophy" is by definition a search for explanations that goes beyond the mythological god-centered ones. Religious philosophy in the Christian, Jewish, or Muslim sense is an oxymoron. 2) Thus any culture having had an encounter with philosophy has also had an encounter with the "objective, skeptical attitude" whether the culture got stuck there, i.e. let it develop into a SOM or went onwards is the crux. 3) the former happened to the West, while the Orient abolished their S/O before it reached the "point of no return" (which was Aristotle IMO) and entered a Quality-like stage, AKA Buddhism, Taoism. But as I made clear the "objective (intellectual) level is part of the Oriental constitution and they can be as technological as any. Hence China's and Japan's "wirstschaftwunder". Now, you Khoo about Buddha as different from the one that Buddhism talks about is in line with Quality something else than MOQ's Quality and something I disregard. The greatest insight I know is ZAMM's about Newton's gravity theory creating the Gravity Reality, all efforts to refute that theories creates new ways of seeing things is futile, and a metaphysics recreates everything. Further my contention is that MOQ's job to overcome the deeply entrenched SOM rationality required a super-rationality and that consists of the dynamic/static divide and the levels that dissolves the SOM-induced paradoxes. This is so "reasonable" that no rationalist can refuse to look into MOQ's "telescope" lest left in the role of the Cardinal who refused to look into Galileo's telescope (an example that science harps so much on) However Pirsig of LILA got so hung up in the Quality=Reality issue (which is an axiom and cannot be proved) that the MOQ was left in shambles regarding the intellectual level and his demonstrations how the MOQ rids existence of the SOM-induced paradoxes are less than convincing, while the correct - Phaedrus envisaged MOQ - does it without problems all paradoxes stem from the subject/object split having cemented into existence's "ground". Well, that's all. The Eastern Tradition's early and easy transition to the Quality-like stage beyond their underdeveloped SOM needed no super-rational ordering (no dynamic/static Buddha ...etc.) creating the "mysticism" that Westerners love to call what they don't understand, yet sense the value of. And within this ordering it is the 4th. level as SOM that does the trick, but is what most of this discussion won't have. ZAMM: > " The first step down from Phaedrus's statement that "Quality is the > Buddha" is a statement that is such an assertion, if true. provides > a rational basis of three areas of human experience which are now > disunified. The three areas are Religion, Art and Science.If it can > shown that Quality is the central term of all three, and that this > Quality is not of many kinds but of one kind only, then it follows > that the three disunified areas have a basis for introconversion" pp > 260 ZAMM "Quality is the Buddha". Exactly! But Buddha obviously has static aspects, and "...providing a rational basis" Right on! Super-rational IMO. "Three areas being united" Definitely! Four IMO, the so-called physical universe that Pirsig's guru enigmatically called "illusory" is incorporated. It all fits Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
