Hi Mark,
Thanks for your reply. I accept the terms disorder to order as that is exactly
as I see it. Further, this is my twist on "Quality reversing a theory of
thermodynamics" as discussed in Chpt 11 of Lila. I would like to review what
has been discussed in terms of Quality reversing a theory of thermodynamics.
THis is the area in my opinion that opens the door for the understanding of
other dimensions and dynamics.
You stated,"Perhaps Quality is always constant, that is for every increase in
Quality there is an equal decrease." I am not sure that it is always equal
and perhaps the "zig-zag fashion" is a good way of stating it, but I see that
in everything there is a need for "balance". IMO, balance = peace, nature
abhors a void and where there is an increase in one area there is avoid in
another area that must be fiiled in order for there to be balance.
However,systems can survice even when they are out of balance. That said, it
will only continue until the system is so severely out of balance that it fails
or it finds a way to regain balance. Another twist is that perhaps Dynamic
Quality is that which keeps it spinning and that which throws a little weight
on one side or another.
I see the MoQ levels as multidimensional rather than linear and each is
attempting to maintain balance within themselves as well as among the other
levels. One level affects the balance within itself, but also affects the
balance within the other level.
The example of Haiti has been used recently, but I will use it here to look at
balance. From an inorganic level perspective, beneath the tectonic plates, so
much pressure has increased that the plates shift in order to balance some of
the pressure that is being exerted beneath the plates. From the perspective of
the Social level and biological level, social order is disrupted, basic housing
is destroyed, water and sanitary systems are destroyed. Many of the social
systems that have increased and sustain the quailty for biological life have
been destroyed and are now out of balance. As biological needs increase,
underlying biological level systems take over and, in many cases, override
upper social and intellectual level systems. Stealing and killing for food and
water demonstrate raw biological patterns that outway social and intellectual
level patterns. Yet from the social level, new social groups begin to form to
protect each other and call for help from the outside social groups. Help and
aide demonstrate social and intellectual ratchet points attempting to regain
control and balance.
IMO, if viewed only from the standpoint of life, it is easy to see that energy
consumption is necessary. Life must consume in order to survive. Life to remain
static consumes energy. To improve, life consumes energy, but destruction may
also be required. An example, to become stronger muscles are broken down, but
in stasis they atrophy. Life in death first requires less energy and then is
consumed by bacteria and other systems until all that is left are inorganic
materials and mineral. Then the minerals break down.
I appreciate your response! I believe there are many ways to understand Quality
and will try to adjust my wording to make things as consistant as possible. I
take me awhile to wrap my head around ideas. I often create art or charts to
broaden my perspective.
Thanks again,
Bruce
Mark:
> Hi Bruce,
> This is similar, imo, to what we have been discussing in terms
> of Quality reversing a theory of thermodynamics. I prefer to not
> use the term Chaos, because even that can be modeled and
> form predictions. I prefer the terms disorder to order. Entropy
> increase is thought to be the direction of time. However,
> there is no reason why we couldn't use Quality as time's direction.
>
> I do not think that energy consumption is necessary, unless Quality
> lies within another system, such as life does within the sun's (entropic)
> rays. Perhaps Quality is always constant, that is for every increase
> in Quality there is an equal decrease. Perhaps Quality increases in
> a zig-zag fashion, there is no telling if we are on the upswing or
> downswing right now. If one uses calculus, one can interconvert
> DQ with SQ, in the same way that speed and acceleration can be
> interconverted. I am hoping somebody will come up with the equation
> sometime (Einstein, where have you gone?).
>
> I believe there are many ways to understand Quality, all that is required
> is consistency in the argument. But, it may also be possible to
> understand Quality through inconsistency and contradiction in
> argument. Logic can only take us so far, then we have to rely
> on our other faculties.
>
> Thanks for the post,
> Mark
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