Wow--what an interesting process of engagement, Bo.
It encapsulates fully your process and style of doing
philosophy.
I only have one comment--
Bo said:
>Pirsig begins his scattered narrative about the genesis of what
> he later calls the intellectual level with the piece above about
> subject-object differentiation
Another Eureka! See. even Matt recognizes that the
intellectual LEVEL (of the later MOQ) starts with the
subject/object differentiation. Why is Mr Kundert so silent
about this? Why doesn't he come to my assistance in my
fight for this obvious context?
Matt:
Because, Bo, if you hadn't noticed, you cut me off in the
middle of sentence. I'm not sure if this might not largely
be attributable to the fact that you're forced to use
English because none of us know your home-language,
but you didn't really understand the gist of that mini-essay.
But--perhaps I just wasn't very clear. Some people think
I'm a very difficult, confusing writer. I'll concede the issue.
(Or maybe Bo was being ironic, though that's not a style
I've often seen him reach for--he's so _earnest_ seeming.)
But for clarification sake, I was not suggesting that the
subject/object distinction is the "intellectual level," but that
what Pirsig was showing the genesis of was what he later
called the "intellectual level." That's literally what I said.
The question I'm tangling with in the essay is whether the
endgame of Pirsig's story is the subject/object distinction.
My answer is no, that's just a later growth out of something
earlier. What's the earlier thing? I'm not sure how explicit
I was in that paper (haven't read it in a while), but the locus
to me has to lie around Pirsig's claim that Truth was born in
Athens and that Plato was a dialectical dick because he was
trying to protect this new, fragile, precious commodity.
All Bo's claims of obviousness to the contrary, I think there's
a very subtle game afoot in ZMM, and that when Bo waves
his hand saying, "blah, blah, we all know ZMM's a travelogue
with chautauquas stuffed in it," he's missing an integral point
I'm attempting illustrate through the reading--that the
_process_ of ZMM, the _way_ it unfolds is an integral part of
reading its message, and that waving away its form is to
importantly miss its content. I wasn't just remarking on
something we all know when I talked about ladders and sleds,
I was attempting to get some people to think differently about
what "we all know."
Matt
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