On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:52 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > DmB, > > The more I delve into it, it seems the mathematicians were the ones > who saw the world in an expression of number. We can see > the philosphical problems arising out of it. > > If mathematics as a symbolic language doesn't provide an accurate > reflection of how the world really is, why does science depend on it and why > do we benefit so much from it? > > Platt
> ----- Original Message ---- > From: david buchanan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 1:12:58 AM > Subject: [MD] Language > > > Arlo said: > While Platt is off trying to pawn such linguistic paradox off as > Revelation, I instead find them a pointing reminder of the limits of what > can be said. Like koans, they server as a "slap" to those too caught up in > their expectations of what symbolic representation offers. > > > dmb says: > > I think that's an important point. Language has it's limits. This gets at > the distinction between the MOQ (which is made of words) and the dynamic > quality it talks about (non-verbal experience). I suppose these limits are > part of the reason Pirsig never saw much point in the logical analysis of > language. These were some smart guys but I just can't help but think the > whole idea is silly. Why in the world should we expect language to be a > logically coherent system or to be an accurate reflection of how the world > "really" is? That's like expecting your bladder to produce fine whiskey or > something. I mean, it just wasn't built for that. That's why it's so easy to > produce a paradox or a joke. It's full of holes even on the most basic > levels of communication. It seems pretty unreasonable to ask language to > give us things like truth, certainty or perfect consistency. > On the other hand, it's a pretty fabulous tool. In the right hands, it can > rock your world or change your life and I suppose if it really were > logically consistence and coherent it wouldn't have that same power. Somehow > it's the ambiguities and nuances that really make it sing. Yea, that's it. > It's too soulful to be technically correct, too musical to be a form of > logic. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
