On 2/21/10 7:49 AM, "Mary" <[email protected]> wrote: >I am sorry to try your patience on a whim! [Mary Replies] Joe, you do not "try my patience" at all! > I prefer to consider a template for evolution that includes an > emotional center. [Mary Replies] I think I see the confusion, then. I view emotions as an artifact of the Biological Level. <snip>
Hi Mary and all, Do animals have ³emotions²? I answer No! Emotions do not evolve in a level of instinctive evolution. I prefer to see ³emotions² evolving beyond instinct in the first level in the evolution of DQ consciousness, which, then, evolves further to a DQ/SQ intellectual level for control of behavior. At 1:13 PM ³Mary² wrote to John: > [Mary Replies] > As the resident expert on emotions (the token female) I take umbrage at your > statement, John. Let's face it, men have only a tangential connection to > their emotions. It is not allowed in Western culture. You have only two > socially acceptable outlets for masculine emotion, verbal violence or > physical violence. That's it. I hate that, but I did not make the rules. > > It is absolutely untrue that "all emotions have some reasoned assumption a > their basis." Nope. Most have no relationship to reason at all. In my > experience there are only two things that elicit emotion in us: fear of loss > (including loss of face, loss of loved ones, loss of 100 other kinds of > things - all related in some way to EGO) or a threat to something we believe > ourselves to believe (about ourselves, the world at large, or others in > particular). Perhaps you will notice that I include only negative emotions > in this? That is because negative emotions are far more powerful and > long-lasting than the strongest positive ones. > > All emotions are based in the Biological Level, including love. They cannot > be invoked and cannot be assuaged by reason. Reason is powerless in the > face of strong emotion. At best all we can do is use reason to temper the > same emotion the next time - but never THIS time. Emotion must be respected > and anyone who doesn't respect their own emotions is asking for trouble. > You can "pay me now or pay me later" is a good analogy for emotion. If not > resolved, they never go away, they just get worse - stronger the next time > the subject comes up. > > I challenge you guys to convince me this is not true. Who among you has not > experienced a long running disagreement with your significant other? > > Grins, > Mary I guess I have to propose evolution beyond the intellectual level to a higher emotional level, and a higher intellectual level in consciousness only to explain all behavior. Joe > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
